VocAlign vs Logic Pro groove templates?

[TPv2]

Hi everyone,

I wonder if there is any reliable information on how SynchroArts Vocalign stacks up against Logic Pro's groove templates.

In particular, with regards to:

- Ease of use/Speed (I am familiar with VocAlign from another platform and suspect it should be better in this category).
- Dealing with possible phase misalignment in the aligned regions (i.e., does the process check for and correct phase issues).
- General quality of results.

Any comments from experience, or links to webpages where this comparison has been made in depth, would be gratefully received.

I loved VocAlign with Soundscape, but VocAlign Project in AU format costs more than Logic Pro X! So I'm not sure it's still a must-have in 2014. Main usage would be to tighten BVs.

[muzines]

Yes, it works but it's not exactly automatic, it requires creating the quantise markers, then checking them for accuracy and often manually editing them - there's an SOS piece that tackles this:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov09/a ... p_1109.htm

I find Logic is a bit variable on where it places transients, sometimes.

Also. more modern tutorials featuring better workflows:
http://logic-pro-expert.com/logic-pro-blog/2011/01/22/how-to...

http://music.tutsplus.com/tutorials/tighter-vocals-backing-o...

VocAlign is designed to do this with the minimum of hassle, it works well (as you know if you are already familiar with it), and if you have a lot to do it's still the best and fastest choice imo. But you can do it in Logic, and if you have Logic already, I suggest trying out the tools and seeing whether the workflow will suit your needs.

Like a lot of these tools, the automatic stuff will get you in the ballpark but some tweaking is often necessary - at least Logic lets you do this easily enough.

[TPv2]

Thank you Desmond.

Your advice confirms what I guess/feel. I have only used the Logic groove template procedure on MIDI at this point and found it uselessly complicated (compared to the match quantize tool I had in old versions of Cubase, don't know if that tool is still around).

I'm pretty much decided now to go with VocAlign. I want the quickness, and for that reason I don't even really want to spend the time to learn the Logic way with audio and compare results. I'll just spend the money and get the comfort I'm used to.

[alexis]

Thank you Desmond.

Your advice confirms what I guess/feel. I have only used the Logic groove template procedure on MIDI at this point and found it uselessly complicated (compared to the match quantize tool I had in old versions of Cubase, don't know if that tool is still around).

I'm pretty much decided now to go with VocAlign. I want the quickness, and for that reason I don't even really want to spend the time to learn the Logic way with audio and compare results. I'll just spend the money and get the comfort I'm used to.

If you're going to spring for Vocalign, Revoice Pro (which does so much more) is just a bit more as I recall ...

[TPv2]

Thank you but it's too late. But in fact the difference is substantial in price, I suppose you were referring to the small price difference between Vocalign Pro but the one I bought was VocAlign Project, the difference is around £130 and VocAlign Project is perfect for my needs. I produce songs, I want tight BVs. I have good singers to work with anyway, it's just for the icing on the cake.