VST's that sound like Korg Trinity?

[Pitchfork]

Listening the Jon Hopkins albums especially "Contact Note" and the latest one..Inisdes - and in a SoS interview he said he used his old Korg Trinity for the synth sounds..

The pads and sounds on these albums are soo lush!

Surely in this day and age there is something that can sound as good if not better than a Trinity from 1996(?)

Are there any VST's anyone recommends? I have Absynth 4..

I think the pads sound warm, lush and thick but dont take up much space within the mix which maybe a Trinity strong point?

Most VST's today throw everything in to make a BIG preset which is a little unuseable in a mix

Is there a "thin sounding" for want of a better word! VST that can do lush pads like this?

[Mr Spanky]

How about something like this?

http://www.sampleoidz.co.uk/shop/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=51

[The Pearl Works]

Korg are pad masters! I've got a 01R/W amongst my collection and it still sounds fantastic today. I've also got the Korg Legacy Digital Collection VSTi's. This consists of the M1 and Wavestation. The Wavestation IMO is the ultimate pad machine but you have to spend time programming it. I've also got Spectrasonics Atmosphere, which does have fab sounding pads but it isn't a real programmers synth.

I've been keeping my eye out for a Korg TR-Rack (Trinity in a 1U rack). You can pick them up for under £200 these days. There's one in the SOS classifieds at the moment for £139...but it's too far away for me to consider. It's a bargain for someone else though!

[The Elf]

I'd be surprised if you can't get what you want out of Absynth 4. If you're jabbing at the presets you might well be disappointed though. All it needs is some careful programming.

I've used Absynth for pads alongside my collection of real analogues and it can do a pretty good job - certainly up to the standard to match a 90s digital synth.

First time I've seen Korg heralded as 'pad masters' - I thought that honour might more deservingly go to Roland or Oberheim!

As alluded to, great pads are not always about huge sound in isolation. My Oberheim Xpander sounds phenominal in isolation, but needs space in a mix to allow its pads to breath (but when they do, oh wow!), but a less impressive Roland Jupiter pad sits very nicely and actually sounds bigger in a mix without dominating.

[The Pearl Works]

I mean intricate, evolving, atmospheric pads. Not the big fat wall of sounds the Obie and Roland are great for.

[The Elf]

I mean intricate, evolving, atmospheric pads. Not the big fat wall of sounds the Obie and Roland are great for.

Ah! The reason I keep a Wavestation SR in my rack!

Touche, dude.

[muzines]

Plus Omnisphere has got a stack of this kind of stuff...

[Martin Walker]

I use and love Omnisphere, Korg Legacy Digital, and Absynth, but lately I'm moving over more and more to Camel Audio's Alchemy, which can produce WONDERFUL lush evolving pads

Martin

[MarkOne]

I recently added an old Korg Wavestation SR to my rack, and it has some lovely evolving pads. And since they do this as a plug-in in the legacy digital edition, I would recommend that to you.

From what I've heard of Chameleon, THat sounds amazing... It's certianly up there on my synth want list

[Pitchfork]

Alchemy looks amazing!! especially with importing AIFF files and messing them up - how do the analog filters sound?

I did think of Cameleon 5000 but looks like Alchemy supersedes this??

[Stoney]

Check out the demo mate

[Chevytraveller]

Alchemy is the most amazing Plug in instrument I have every used.. every sound is inspirational... makes a Trinity sound like a mouth organ IMHO
Filters are very nice.. the whole plug-in just has that edge of class.. and that's before you even start messing with your own samples..
Ooooh.. I am going off on one.. I'd better go and get a room with it

[muzines]

I did think of Cameleon 5000 but looks like Alchemy supersedes this??

Yes - Alchemy is essentially the successor to Cam5000, and is markedly superior in pretty much *every* way...

[Martin Walker]

If you want to read my SOS review of Alchemy, it's here:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr09/a ... lchemy.htm

I was VERY impressed!

How about something like this?

http://www.sampleoidz.co.uk/shop/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=51

Frankly I'm amazed they get away with releasing a product like that spanky

They openly admit of their Korg Trinity Soundfont that "THIS SAMPLE PACK IS A MUST IT CONTAINS MANY PHAT SOUNDS FROM THIS MODULE."

...and then at the bottom have the nerve to say "ROYALTY FREE :EXCLUSIVE SOUNDS"

Perhaps we should mention his to Korg?

Martin

[Shambolic Charm]

can you copyright a sound? Maybe they are not allowed to explicitly use the name 'Korg' but so what? If they call it 'Kork Trinidy' or something we all know what it means.

[muzines]

Because those sounds are based on samples (it's a rompler), and you are re-recording copyright recordings to use in your product. So yes, there are copyright restrictions on doing that.

[Shambolic Charm]

Surely that would mean you couldn't make a music recording with those sounds?

[muzines]

No, that use is permitted, and it's also kinda implicit in what a musical instrument does.

Making your own music using an instrument you purchased, and blatantly re-recording the output to make a sample library for sale are two different things.

[hollowsun]

can you copyright a sound?

Maybe not but you can copyright a 'recording' ... and a sample is a 'recording'.

That Soundfont is just SOOOO illegal on so many levels which I won't go into here.

And I will bet that the sounds on offer are not multi-sampled or looped and so are next to useless (I can give you reasons why you don't spend weeks/months multi-sampling and editing and looping and programming samples and then sell them for £5.75 ... discounted from £9.99).

But by all means, buy and get this and prove me wrong. However, I doubt I will be. In situations like this, I have not been proven wrong so far.

I am calling 'cowboy' on this one ... like the many charlatans that sell similar shite on eBay for a fiver!

[Pitchfork]

Forget the Trinity banks - I think Alchemy is the one!

I take it this can sound "thin" in order to sit in a mix, instead of massive arpeggiated one-finger band in a box tracks! of some presets

[Martin Walker]

Forget the Trinity banks - I think Alchemy is the one!

I agree that Alchemy is the one, but the Trinity banks raise an extremely important point that should be discussed.

That Soundfont is just SOOOO illegal on so many levels which I won't go into here.

I am calling 'cowboy' on this one ... like the many charlatans that sell similar shite on eBay for a fiver!

Legitimate sample developers are having their sales badly affected by those who churn out copies of other people's copyrighted material.

It's not just folk who sample hardware synths, but companies who sell stuff ripped from albums or even other sample collections and pass it off as their own. There are huge threads on some forums where people have bought such collections and can quickly identify where dozens of the samples originate. They are claimed to be 'license free' for use in your own music, but if anyone did use them and was caught it could be very messy. And yet such libraries continue to sell because so many people judge by how many gigabytes you get for your money.

Incredibly sad for the real developers who spend weeks or months developing their own original material, and then find people won't buy a library unless it's multi-gigabyte and selling for under £30.

I've known various sample developers who have already got out of the industry because they can't afford to pay the mortgage on their houses any more

Martin

[Zukan]

I have to agree with Steve and Martin here.

Personally, I think that Korg should be informed and if it is legal they will ignore it.

However, this is not legal and it would take me pages to go into the implications of why it's not legal and what consequences it has for all the people involved in creating the original soundsets.

Almost every manufacturer that I have designed sounds for, and Steve would attest to this as well, the ownership is kept by the manufacturer and the content is paid for via licencing.
I have been, and still am to a degree, heavily involved with Emu for a number of their product soundsets both in hardware form and software. Right now, in conjunction with DSF, we have converted the entire Emu back catalogue into varying formats. Even though DSF and I created a number of those libraries in their original formats going way back to the 80s we still have to licence the content from Emu as they own the soundsets and formats.

So, unless Korg have dramatically changed their ownership and licencing agreements this product cannot be offered royalty/licence free.

I'll bet my left nut on that and am willing to forego it's use if proven wrong.

[onesecondglance]

on the same subject - anyone else find it depressing that the most common search strings thrown up by Google when entering "Camel Audio Alchemy" are, in order:

1. torrent
2. rapidshare
3. review
4. presets
5. youtube
6. download
7. serial

... those in bold indicating people trying to rip it off.

[vinyl_junkie]

can you copyright a sound?

Maybe not but you can copyright a 'recording' ... and a sample is a 'recording'.

That Soundfont is just SOOOO illegal on so many levels which I won't go into here.

And I will bet that the sounds on offer are not multi-sampled or looped and so are next to useless (I can give you reasons why you don't spend weeks/months multi-sampling and editing and looping and programming samples and then sell them for £5.75 ... discounted from £9.99).

But by all means, buy and get this and prove me wrong. However, I doubt I will be. In situations like this, I have not been proven wrong so far.

I am calling 'cowboy' on this one ... like the many charlatans that sell similar shite on eBay for a fiver!

I can tell you 100% those sound fonts/sample packs or what ever won't be properly multi sampled and are of the poorest quality out there without even downloading, most of the time sampled with the FX enabled too! ...it's the same junk you find on ebay.
It's the most annoying thing ever..ebay search D-50...about 219083120938 lame sample packs come up and not the item you are looking for

[Zukan]

on the same subject - anyone else find it depressing that the most common search strings thrown up by Google when entering "Camel Audio Alchemy" are, in order:

1. torrent
2. rapidshare
3. review
4. presets
5. youtube
6. download
7. serial

... those in bold indicating people trying to rip it off.

I have this with a number of my products.

I have even contacted Google, whilst submitting DMCAs, about how they can index and allow torrent and crack sites to reside above ours in search engines.

They never respond.

So long as these sites pay for advertising they will get preferential treatment from search engines.