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For thermal grease, I used some of that silver based stuff that computer CPU's use (I had some laying about, you can find it in Maplins etc)
The non filtered power socket looks fine..
As for the power switch.. Im not sure about the first one.. It says 12v AND 240v?? It seems to suggest it is for boats and cars, so I highly doubt the 240v rating.. The second one would not work either, because it is non latching. You don't want to hold your finger down on the button all the time to make the amp work :headbang: In fact most of those vandal proof style switches are non latching. It's a bit tricky to find a latching one that is also man enough for the job, with respect to current etc.
I used this power button (to replace the ugly maplins switch you see in the old picts)
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/0426540/
It's latching, and up to the job. It is not illuminated however, but I didn't mind having separate power indicator LED's on the front panel. In fact I got all the sundry parts from RS (You don't need a trade account there now)

I can't help with the step drill thing, not having used one before! But for the square hole, I guess you can still do it by making lots of small holes with a drill, knocking out the centre, then filing out the rest. It will be a little tedious, but will work fine :)

PS, If an admin is reading, this thread was originally in the old DIY forum, maybe it needs slinging in the newer DIY forum?
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I've moved it back to the DIY section...

If you were doing lots of cutouts for IEC sockets then you might want to investigate buying a suitably shaped sheet metal punch. One other method would be to use an Abrafile saw but it looks like they are no longer made - or at least a Google search didn't seem to bring up anything.

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If you are working with ally, get a fret saw. OK the blades don't last too long, but is surprising what you can do with them - for odd-ball shapes you only have to drill holes in a few corners.

Very much agree about the step drill. I've got two sizes. My work mates used to laugh at me for having them - these days I have to keep a close eye on them! They are especially useful on ABS boxes (of which I handle a lot).

Gentlemen please! They are IEC chassis plugs not sockets - at least, I sincerely hope you are not fitting IEC plugs to the mains cable! Don't go for the push-fit ones, as hole dimensions and plate thickness are critical. Besides, the ones with the nice fat flanges with two screw holes will cover considerable 'allowance' :)
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Folderol wrote: Gentlemen please! They are IEC chassis plugs not sockets - at least, I sincerely hope you are not fitting IEC plugs to the mains cable! Don't go for the push-fit ones, as hole dimensions and plate thickness are critical. Besides, the ones with the nice fat flanges with two screw holes will cover considerable 'allowance' :)

thanx for info, could you point which one of those mentioned by me are fine, that would be great:)

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That was probably just me getting my words jumbled up!? I fitted the right parts though.. I think I used this one:
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/iec-connectors/7300470/
So the first ebay one you linked to should be fine, it looks pretty much identical (and cheaper!)
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All good stuff!

On the metal mackling front. If anyone has a perhaps more complex series of holes to make in a panel it is worth seeking out a small engineer, you will find a few one man bands on industrial estates, he will either be inundated and tell you to go forth etc, or glad of some beer money! One of these guys can chop out the big holes, IEC, XLR, switch, PDQ and for a relatively small fee. Once the big stuff is done the fiddly bits like screw holes are easy to do at home.

Note to OP: Switches are almost all grossy de rated for DC operation, in anycase decent components are very conservatively rated, many an old guitar amp has a standby switch rated at 250V~ switching 500volts plus!

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ef37a wrote: it is worth seeking out a small engineer

Will a tall one do? :tongue:
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MarkOne wrote:
ef37a wrote: it is worth seeking out a small engineer

Will a tall one do? :tongue:

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The switch looks good to me. Its rated at 240 volts and 5 amps, which I think is enough(?)
It says the LED can be powered from 6 volts, and that for other voltages he can supply an appropriate resistor. Now on my SMPS 400, im pretty certain the auxiliary output voltage is 12 volts, but from what I can gather, later SMPS 400's output 21 volts (This aux power output is ideal for powering the power status indicator LED). So double check what the aux output voltage is on your power supply, and try to get the appropriate resistor for the LED from the ebay supplier.
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~Paul wrote:The switch looks good to me. Its rated at 240 volts and 5 amps, which I think is enough(?)
It says the LED can be powered from 6 volts, and that for other voltages he can supply an appropriate resistor. Now on my SMPS 400, im pretty certain the auxiliary output voltage is 12 volts, but from what I can gather, later SMPS 400's output 21 volts (This aux power output is ideal for powering the power status indicator LED). So double check what the aux output voltage is on your power supply, and try to get the appropriate resistor for the LED from the ebay supplier.

thanks for answer Paul, really appreciate it, but the question is where to look for that answer ?
hypex website ?
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Im not sure which power supply you are using, only that you are using a single supply. But i'll assume it is one of the SMPS units?
http://www.hypex.nl/docs/SMPS400_datasheet.pdf
About 3/4's of the way down, it suggests 21 v dc for the aux output..

This is for the SMPS1200A400 (Perhaps a more suitable supply, if using just 1 to power 2 UcD 400s)
http://www.hypex.nl/docs/SMPS1200_datasheet.pdf
This appears to have an auxiliary 21 v dc unregulated output (Like the SMPS 400) and also a regulated 12 v dc output. You could use either of those with the appropriate resistor for the LED in the power button.
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Thank you Paul for your support,
I got smps400a400,
for my monitors and room it's plenty of power (it has 600W max)
I need 1/4 of this maximum,
rather 1/8 in most cases,

sorry for my questions, but I am not DIYer at all....
actually bit scared about putting hypex all together and not breaking it...
I will start thread at diy forum with photos, step by step and will wait for people help,
as I don't have any tools except soldering iron (at least this is good one:)

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hehe my soldering iron is a cheap/basic one from Maplins.. But i've built a ton of stuff with it, with no problems. So better/more expensive soldering irons are certainly not a requirement. At least not for this amp build, as there is only very minimal soldering involved. If you are comfortable making your own cables for the studio and wiring plugs etc, then this really isn't that much more challenging believe it or not.
Just be certain to have a good read of the documentation you get with the amp modules and power supply so that you are 110% sure what you need to connect and to where. I seem to remember that I also modified a couple of the supplied ribbon cables. But again, it's all common sense stuff.

Im no electronics ninja, but wiring this thing was certainly one of the easier DIY jobs i've undertaken.

Good luck! And keep us up to date on your build :)
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stacked with many questions and no answer:))
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if anyone who build hypex could chime in here :
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/mastering-forum/687642-hypex-fork-again-build-story-help-appreciated.html#post7462889
(I hope it's not against rules to link to another audio forum, if yes - my apologies)
I desperately need assistance

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Hmmm.
Was there no paperwork with the modules? It's a very poor showing if not. For both the amplifier modules and the PSU there should at least be markings on the boards.

I'm not too keen on the idea of crossing to another audio site to look at your pictures. Why not put them on flikr or the Internet Archive and link from there?

If that IEC socket has a built in fuseholder you can just wire the PSU mains side straight to it - although personally I would want a switch in the live (brown) line. I would expect a fuse rating around 3A to be more than adequate.
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Folderol wrote:Hmmm.
Was there no paperwork with the modules? It's a very poor showing if not.

Actually, they provide a boat load of paperwork! I can imagine it might all look a bit daunting to someone starting out with this kind of thing. But once I read through it a couple of times, and marked key reference points, I thought it all quite straightforward.
I did send a pm to RM with a couple of tips. But my help might be a little limited, as it looks like Hypex have revised the power supplies connections quite a lot (to make it simpler, from the looks of it), so the wiring isn't really going to look a whole lot like mine..
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there are some papers in the box, but I need step by step guide:)
it's for more advanced diy'er then myself,
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On a related note, I'm using a Class D Audio amp that they pre-assemble for you (I think it's listed as the Mastering Amplifier or something like that). It sounds extremely good (comparable to my old parasound halo), lightweight (compared to my old parasound halo) and rackmounted which is really convenient for me. I'm liking it a lot. The downside is that the output pots are designed to operate at the 12 o clock position, rather than being attenuators which could be left fully on, which means that you have to get the meter out to line the pots up. But that's not really a big deal.

I like it a lot.

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Without knowing what the connections are, it's virtually impossible to give you any realisitic assistance!
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Folderol wrote:Without knowing what the connections are, it's virtually impossible to give you any realisitic assistance!

All the important bits are on page 7 of the SMPS400 data sheet: http://www.hypex.nl/docs/SMPS400_datasheet.pdf
As I mentioned once or twice though, it has changed a lot since I nailed mine together.

But essentially...

J1, I believe you can ignore for 240v use.

J2, 240v Mains input. Do not cock this up! Thats on pins 1 & 3. The colour coded cables you got should make it clear what goes where on here. It goes without saying that this needs to be a good, solid and properly insulated connection.
I'd route the live wire through the fuse and power button, then on to the SMPS.

J3, Has the 3 voltage outputs that go to the amp module/s. Pin 1 = +v, Pin 2 = ground, Pin 3 = -v
Pin 4 won't be connected to anything (Its for a different type of amp module)
Pin 5 of J3 is the auto amplifier enable, which I believe is where the thin black wire from the UcD input cable goes.
As you are using only 1 SMPS, I would wire them both to the same pin.

J5, Pin 3 = Aux + output (21) volts to drive your power led. This will go to that resistor I mentioned earlier in the thread, then on to the positive leg of the LED in your power button. The - leg of the LED would then be returned to pin 5 of J5.
This J5 connector appears to have a lot of surplus pins on it, which appear to be for optional things. Im pretty certain you can ignore the unused pins, for now at least.

J6, Using this is purely optional, but this should have 2 pins, and is there for error sensing. You can take a signal/wire from the positive speaker output on the amp module, and route it to pin 1 (Pin 2 for the other channel). If the SMPS see's nasty DC there or whatever, it will shut down, hopefully preventing further damage. I connected these.. But you don't have to. Make sure each channel goes to pin 1 and 2 respectively though. Not to the same pin! Or at best, your amp will sound strangely mono..

As for grounding.. I read this varies some, depending on balanced, or unbalanced use. I made my amp as balanced, but then used an unbalanced phono adapter with it! So I wasn't sure exactly what to do about grounding.. Basically, if I was in any doubt, I grounded it anyway. And it works! No smoke, no nasty noises..

The connections on the amp modules themselves I believe are more self explanatory than they are for the SMPS power supply.

PLEASE keep in mind though, that although your amp will be very similar to mine, it is by no means exactly the same, so don't take my advice as gospel, and at the very least, go over the details yourself to make sure it all makes sense. Better yet, perhaps have someone more knowledgeable than the both of us, go over it too.
IE, If your amp goes up in smoke, you haven't seen me!

Keep us posted on how it goes!
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Paul you are star!
I owe you a pint, let me know when you in SE London (brixton area)
thanks a lot for help
I managed to connect everything except DC control (I think I'll do it)
at the moment I don't have switch or diode, just power cable IN/OUT :)
it plays music very nicely, I just got very little issue with 1 channel only - it's not dead quiet as the other one, so I need to speak with hypex I reckon,

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Glad you are well on the way with it! 8-)
Noise problem? Likely a ground issue, so check all your grounds, and other connections of course.. And while we're on the subject, have you grounded the case? I doubt that will fix the noise, but I figured I should mention it anyway!
Perhaps try swapping the amp modules over too, or at least the wiring, see if the noise moves over, or stays put.
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I'll do it tomorrow,
photos and some info uploaded at GS thread linked before
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/mastering-forum/687642-hypex-fork-again-build-story-help-appreciated-2.html
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