Google Nexus 7 and flash player... Bye bye iPad !

[stratquebec]

I'm sometimes very frustrated by iOS incompatibility with adobe flash. I really enjoy my iPad but lots of music related web apps are using FLASH and my iPad is unable to run them. No mater if the the problem is apple versus adobe or adobe versus apple, it seems that this issue will never be fixed.

So I'm seriously considering the Google Nexus 7. Shame on Apple and shame on Adobe. Why this stupid thing is still going on ? Anyway. Seems that the problem will be solved with the new Nexus 7. Powerful and affordable and works with no limitation. Great news.

[chris...]

it seems that this issue will never be fixed.

Yes fixed - with proper standards-based websites - ie. ones that don't rely on "flash".

Nexus 7. Powerful and affordable and works with no limitation

Maybe, but unlikely to have flash for long...

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/11/09/adobe-discontinues-development-on-mobile-flash/

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/29/adobe-to-end-new-installs-of-flash-on-android-as-of-august-15/

[Chevytraveller]

I can't see it being much use if they don't sort out the System audio latency issues.. and Flash is on it's way out anyway

[stratquebec]

Oh boys! Wow! Now tha's the real good news. Shame on me to not being aware of that. So the good news is : I was wrong all the way! Shame on me And you guys made me save 300 bucks!

" Perhaps Adobe should focus more on creating great HTML5 tools for the future, and less on criticizing Apple for leaving the past behind. "
Steve Jobs

I'm happy again Steve ! R.I.P.

[OneWorld]

I keep being told Flash is so yesterday and HTML5 is the kiddie, though how long it will be before Flash is just seen alongside Ancient Egyptian artefacts in the museum, some time yet seeing as Flash is just about everywhere

[stratquebec]

I keep being told Flash is so yesterday and HTML5 is the kiddie, though how long it will be before Flash is just seen alongside Ancient Egyptian artefacts in the museum, some time yet seeing as Flash is just about everywhere

Good point . What will happen to all those flash applications once Adobe had pulled their plug-in's plug out?

The mySpace developers should not be very happy of the Adobe decision...

I think you're right: it's good news in the long term but for now, iPad and iPhone users are still disadvantaged and let in the dark...

Um... Seems, I will need to get that Nexus anyway...

[Tui]

Any company that still uses flash on their site is behind the curve. I am looking at you, NI...

[johnny h]

I can't see it being much use if they don't sort out the System audio latency issues.. and Flash is on it's way out anyway

Agreed. I don't really enjoy the iPad for Internet use, but it's better than any android rubbish. It's really a lot less useful than a real laptop though.

For reading magazines it's good, and for music apps. But emails, web, files ... It's just a bit crap.

[Dave B]

Also bear in mind that MS won't support Flash on forthcoming IE10 in any mobile capacity - desktop only this time with the implication being 'and not after that'.

Flash was an important web technology. About 10 years ago...

[chris...]

What will happen to all those flash applications once Adobe had pulled their plug-in's plug out?

What applications ? Go on - enlighten me. What killer apps am I missing out on ?

The mySpace developers should not be very happy of the Adobe decision...

My what ?

iPad and iPhone users are still disadvantaged and let in the dark...

It's not dark here, and I don't feel disadvantaged (but clearly don't know what I'm missing out on!)

As for desktop Mac OSX making flash an optional extra in the last year or two, I was doing just fine without it, till I realised no Google Maps. So had to install it. But that's about the only thing I miss on the desktop, and isn't an issue on iDevices, since there's a native app.

[stratquebec]

Sir I won't enumerate all sites that have a flash section in their web page that my iPad cannot access and display the annoying warniing that flash is required etc etc. There are so many, music related or not, the list would be too long. Among them, is myspace.

I find it very frustrating having to wait to be back home to be able to visit those sites on my iMac.

My concern is simple to understand and there's no need to try to minimise the issue. It's annoying for many iPad, iPhone users. Good for you if you're not one of them.

Peace.

[chris...]

Sorry - I just meant to give a few obvious examples, not every site in existence!

You'd already mentioned myspace. (hadn't realised anyone still used that - but can see an iPad isn't very useful for someone who does)

You also mentioned "apps", which I'd thought were different from "sites", hence am interested to know what I'm missing out on (or at least some examples).

Furthermore, it's possible some people on here may be able to suggest non-flash alternatives, especially if some of these apps are effectively utilities, as opposed to sites hosting specific content, like myspace.

Just a thought.

Ta

[thedomus]

Any company that still uses flash on their site is behind the curve. I am looking at you, NI...

...and WeTransfer... surprisingly!

[stratquebec]

No problems Chris. I was looking for a new car months ago, a Mazda was considered. Try www.mazda.uk ... Many commercial sites still use flash and they will have to re- write parts of their sites if they want to stay reachable on mobile devives, and it will be the same issue for all iOS, Andoid etc users.

Funny thing is, what was considered a marginal concern expressed only by Apple's iOS users, will become a general issue ! So now things should change quickly. Job was right, as usual.

[chris...]

Funny thing is, what was considered a marginal concern expressed only by Apple's iOS users, will become a general issue ! So now things should change quickly.

I'm not sure I'd say "marginal concern". I think things have, by and large, already changed. The huge number of people with iDevices has seen to that.

A few more sites (mazda and myspace?) may get there in the end.

[Michiel]

Any company that still uses flash on their site is behind the curve. I am looking at you, NI...

I know it is popular to bash NI, but their website is now flash free (has been for a few weeks) and is usable on an iPad.

[Tui]

I know it is popular to bash NI, but their website is now flash free (has been for a few weeks)

No it's not:

is usable on an iPad.

Maybe, I don't have an iPad.

[stratquebec]

is usable on an iPad.

Yes their site works fine on my iPad.

[johnny h]

is usable on an iPad.

Yes their site works fine on my iPad.

I guess jobs was right after all.

Flash is a stain on the Internet and the sooner it dies the better.

Hopefully it will take android with it.

[ken long]

Hopefully it will take android with it.

Highly doubtful. Android is the most popular OS in the West.

[arkieboy]

Flash is dead and even Adobe are killing it.

"We will no longer continue to develop Flash Player in the browser to work with new mobile device configurations (chipset, browser, OS version, etc.) following the upcoming release of Flash Player 11.1 for Android and BlackBerry PlayBook"

http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html

"Devices that do not have Flash Player already installed are increasingly likely to be incompatible with Flash Player and will no longer be able to install it from the Google Play Store after August 15th."

http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2012/06/flash-player-and-android-update.html

There will be no flash on Jelly Bean.

So given that Gartner think that mobile web access is set to overtake PC based access in a couple of years, who wants a flash website now?

http://appscout.pcmag.com/mobile-apps/270843-gartner-mobile-web-to-overtake-desktop-by-2013

Steve

[johnny h]

Hopefully it will take android with it.

Highly doubtful. Android is the most popular OS in the West.

Only because it's a cheap imitation of ios. Free imitation, in fact. Microsoft know a thing or two about programming and they might well start carving chunks out of it.

It remains to be seen how much longer google will throw away money on a product which is inquestionably inferior to its rivals.

[arkieboy]

It remains to be seen how much longer google will throw away money on a product which is inquestionably inferior to its rivals.

The money Google pumps into Android is repaid thousands of times over by all of that traffic that goes through google servers, building profiles of all of its customers, linked to their gmail accounts and much of their browsing habits and delivered back to them with location and interest specific advertising.

Android only needs to be good enough and free enough to dissuade Samsung and HTC from developing their own phone operating systems and it can continue to lag iOS because Apple doesn't make cheap phones.

I'd say on the whole - from Google's point of view - Android is a rip-roaring success.

Of course, nothing lasts forever, but will anything change in the next five years? Not holding my breath ...

Steve

[Dave B]

Microsoft know a thing or two about programming and they might well start carving chunks out of it.

ROFLMAO

I might be considered by some to be an Apple Fanboi, but even I can see that Android will dominate completely for the foreseeable future. Sadly, MS have seriously lost their way. I understand that their games console is ok though. Says it all really...

[Pete Kaine]

Hopefully it will take android with it.

Highly doubtful. Android is the most popular OS in the West.

Only because it's a cheap imitation of ios. Free imitation, in fact. Microsoft know a thing or two about programming and they might well start carving chunks out of it.

It remains to be seen how much longer google will throw away money on a product which is inquestionably inferior to its rivals.

Well both are Linux (I should have stated Unix knockoffs... I apologize) just one is cheaper than the other hence it's gaining market share faster which has resulted in Driod now being the popular portable OS in the world as far as the sales figures for the last year goes and overall market penetration. Also the is a lot of comparisons now that are putting the features & functionality of the IOS 5 behind ICS 4, but sure keep beliving that Apples miles ahead of the game on this if you want.

Apples hardware and software intrigration is great and still the best in the market place so still no arguement there. The functionality (in that things work well) is still the best in regards to things just working together, but that is more down to Googles continued inability to keep everyone on the same page OS wise than a lack of any killer features on the platform itself.

I fully expect IOS 6 to move ahead and Jellybean when it lands in the next few months will then edge ahead again. This is a good thing, if Android hadn't cought up then Apple would have rested on it's laurels slightly more than it has done and in that respect it's good for everyone that each firm keeps the other moving forward with the OS development. Intel vs AMD & ATI Vs Nvidia have both proved that for a platform to move forward you need strong competition between the key market leaders.

The day either OS drops off the radar will be a very, very bad day for the market as everyone looses if one of them wins outright...

Speaking of which MS mobiles. Well it's going to be interesting but the as the only hardware maker that really believes in it and supports it likely to be sunk by it, it may already prove a dead duck. Which is a shame as everyone I know who's used one says they are excellent and the reviews tend to back it up. I can see Nokia becoming another MS hardware arm in the next 18 months tbh.