how to master the loud quiet thing

[The Elf]

It's better tonally, but everything is still stuck in stereo centre - no width. The vocal is too loud in the brige/chorus(I'm hearing a couple of mic pops too).

Is the conversation at the end deliberate?

[paul tha other]

yeah the mumbling at the end is meant to be there......i have used stereo spreader plug ins and panned the guitars..

[The Elf]

All of the guitars are still in the centre. You're not just panning two copies of the same guitar part are you?

Looking back at this earlier comment...

clean git 2 mics and a di..di re amped usin amplitube
heavy guitar..double tracked hard left and right 2mics and di..di reamped

Do you mean 'double tracked' (i.e. two separately played guitar takes), or do you mean one take recorded with 2 microphones? If it is the latter (and I suspect it is) then this is your problem.

First of all ditch the stereo spreader - if it's anything like the Waves stereo enhancers they do odd things with phase that's best avoided IMO. For a sprinkle of icing sugar they're OK, but they aren't for baking the cake.

Ditch/mute one of those mic's and pick the 'best' of the two. Create an effects channel with a mono delay inserted and pan the delay fully right. Set the delay for a single repeat around 20ms. Pan the dry guitar fully left and use a send control from the guitar to feed the delay. Now you will hear an example of 'stereo width' as I am explaining it. And hear that lovely big space in the middle for your vocal.

[The Elf]

Here are a couple of examples for you...

This is a guitar double tracked (quite a few differences between the takes to make it obvious):
Guitar Double-Tracked

This is a guitar panned left with a delay of around 50ms panned to the right:
Guitar With Delay

If the effect isn't obvious to you on speakers, try headphones.

HTH!

[paul tha other]

All of the guitars are still in the centre. You're not just panning two copies of the same guitar part are you?

Looking back at this earlier comment...

clean git 2 mics and a di..di re amped usin amplitube
heavy guitar..double tracked hard left and right 2mics and di..di reamped

Do you mean 'double tracked' (i.e. two separately played guitar takes), or do you mean one take recorded with 2 microphones? If it is the latter (and I suspect it is) then this is your problem.

First of all ditch the stereo spreader - if it's anything like the Waves stereo enhancers they do odd things with phase that's best avoided IMO. For a sprinkle of icing sugar they're OK, but they aren't for baking the cake.

Ditch/mute one of those mic's and pick the 'best' of the two. Create an effects channel with a mono delay inserted and pan the delay fully right. Set the delay for a single repeat around 20ms. Pan the dry guitar fully left and use a send control from the guitar to feed the delay. Now you will hear an example of 'stereo width' as I am explaining it. And hear that lovely big space in the middle for your vocal.

yes i mean 2 takes of the same guitar. and 2 mics on the amp..the 2nd mix i put had one of the guitars removed because i thought it might be causing a lot of bother.so now its mic guitar left reamped guitar right.the guys that plays in this band is pretty good so its hard to hear the double tracks(he is like a machine at double tracking) ..ok im off to try this delay thing..

when you say create a an effects channel do you mean send that channel to a bus or just create a send for a bus???

thanks for taking the time to help me out
paul

[paul tha other]

https://soundcloud.com/onemanandalaptop/my-ownbest-enemy

after a quick 5min mess about with the re panning guitars..here is the result..i know i have to balance the guitars now and maybe take the vox down a bit.but i think its heading in the right direction..
i will try the delay idea after this quick session i have in at lunch time

all i did with that mix is hard pan the guitar mic and reamped signal and switch off the stereo spread plug in

[paul tha other]

hey guys this is my last post on this ..i dont want to completely bore you all..

i dont have a plug in to do the delay trick on the vocals so i copied the track and moved 1 of them "a wee bity" i think that give the same sort of effect...or does it????????

https://soundcloud.com/onemanandalaptop/my-ownbest-enemy

anyway cheers for your time

paul