Windows 10 is Satan's Vomit

[robinv]

My beef is the fact that they disabled family safety. In other words I cannot control the curfew or web access for him. Unless we both sign up for microsoft.com accounts. Sorry, I am not going for that. I never asked for MS to be up my a$$ 24/7. Don't care if it sounds like "conspiracy theory". More like "conspiracy fact."

It's a valid beef and had me foxed for a little while but i just had to set up a child user under an email address which is linked to mine. This is the same account i use for OneDrive and the Win Apps store and for syncing all my stuff from PC to Surface to Phone and back again - for me it's extraordinarily useful, but if you don't want those things then yes, stick with 7 or 8. But i do have the advantage of logging in anywhere an accessing my kids usage and settings and all that jazz, rather than being tied to a single machine which, is going to be increasingly unlikely as my kids get older and start accessing more stuff, more devices. There are pros and cons i guess and for me these are all pros! Not for you, stick with something else.

[IvanSC]

Why do these threads always have to degenerate into a stupid PC vs Mac argument.

I have been repairing computers for many years. I n relation to the number of PC users there are vs the number of Mac users, hardware AND software issues seem about evenly distributed.
But I have to say there is definitely an increased amount of Mac hardware issues recently.

FWIW I have three family members whose computers I take care of. One started out on PC and moved to Mac, has had a ton of troubles including three power supplies going down.
She could not afford a new macbook so I sorted her out a plain vanilla inexpensive PC laptop running Win7.
Zero issues ever since. The other girlie in my life hs always run PC laptops and is totally non-computer literate, despite being "an IT professional".
She routinely presses all the wrong buttons and get viruses trojans you name it.
A couple of her contracts have been at places that insisted she use her on PC on their Intranet.
Everything up to and including the IT department of a fortune 500 company insisting on installing THEIR software on her machine. Unfortunately their software was not capable of running under Win8.1! (grin)

The point is that EVERY computer ha its issues. Regardless of the OS.
My studio desktop is an 7i PC - built a couple of years ago after I took the "old" Athlon II 6 core bard out. The original build on that particular hardware went back to when Win7 was first released and the only issue I have ever had was a recent hard drive failure after 2 weeks from installation.
Sometimes your number's just UP.

[ConcertinaChap]

This story from The Register makes depressing reading.

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[Martin Walker]

This story from The Register makes depressing reading.

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Ye Gods!! Depressing indeed



"Windows 10 Threshold deleted third-party data monitoring tools and cleanup tools, including stalwarts like Spybot and CCleaner."

"This year Microsoft introduced background tracking services called 'DiagTrack', or the Diagnostics Tracking Service. It was added to Windows 8.1 installations as well as betas of Windows 10. Users thought it had disappeared in recent Windows 10 builds – but it hadn’t. Microsoft had simply renamed it ...to 'Connected User Experiences and Telemetry' "

"Now Microsoft's finally come clean on why it yanked the self-contained download of Windows 10 version 1511. "According to Redmond on Tuesday, "when the November update was installed, a few settings preferences may have inadvertently not been retained for advertising ID, Background apps, SmartScreen Filter, and Sync with devices."" So in effect, installing version 1511 of Windows 10 via the MCT on Windows 10 machines overwrote the user's privacy settings."

Doesn't inspire a lot of confidence does it?

Martin

[tea for two]

There is a solution :
requiring every audio hardware software maker to look beyond their noses, venture forward thirty years :
working together for their own future.
Splintered self interest will only fulfil elimination.

Standard is a simple Custom Linux based OS (similar as seen on Korg Kronos requiring merely Atom & 2GB RAM).

Thereafter Every future hardware drivers, Every future software written efficiently solely for this Unified Simple Linux OS.
Unifying every audio hardware software.

Thus breaking free from Apple MS strangle hold.

(Current Hardware Software carry on as you were as well as version for this Unified Simple Linux OS).

Taking up Megabytes Not Gigabytes, requiring merely Atom similar processing grunt for fx & soft synths :
specs far easier to operate from ether (cloud).

There will be a time when our devices are merely thin clients.

[OneWorld]

if they are giving it away for free my thoughts are, there is another way they are gonna try get pennies from you at some point.

Of course there is; likely some subscription model. And rightly so. Microsoft is a business, not a provider of free software for altruistic reasons.

If Microsoft don't make money then they stop making software - and that benefits nobody. I'm happy to pay my fair share to provide their programmers and business with a living. I don't work for free and neither should they.

SO how do you extrapolate from someone not completely convinced by MicroSoft's 'philanthropic' urges to someone working for free? That's a major leap in logic isn't it.

BTW I have worked for free and will be doing tomorrow at a homeless shelter where they provide 250+ free hot meals to the homeless, so working for free? never did me any harm but there again I am not subsumed by the filthy lucre.

[Pete Kaine]

You don't have shareholders to report to mind.

Another argument for giving the OS away is that if everyone knows how to use it, then the cost of support goes down in businesses and that is really where the cash is for MS, not home users.

[ezza]

Microsoft can run their business anyway they like. I can choose to move to Mac or Linux if I don't like it. From now on I won't buy or use any Windows only software in case I have to jump ship.

[Exalted Wombat]

...I am not subsumed by the filthy lucre.

Hold on while I prepare an illustration of you being subsumed by filthy lucre. It will not be for the squeamish.

[Exalted Wombat]

Microsoft can run their business anyway they like. I can choose to move to Mac or Linux if I don't like it. From now on I won't buy or use any Windows only software in case I have to jump ship.

Back on that old misconception? Computer hardware and operating system are merely incidental expenses that enable you to run the programs you require.

[mick.n]

BTW I have worked for free and will be doing tomorrow at a homeless shelter where they provide 250+ free hot meals to the homeless, so working for free? never did me any harm but there again I am not subsumed by the filthy lucre.

^^ ^^

A b****y good man. Much respect to you.

[ezza]

I think we are saying the same thing?

[The Elf]

BTW I have worked for free and will be doing tomorrow at a homeless shelter where they provide 250+ free hot meals to the homeless

Yep, good on ya. But please don't assume I don't undertake things of a similar nature. Those that know me will understand. 'Nuff said...

Merry Christmas all!

[mellowsouls]

Anyone else get an update that knocked your elicenser out? Constant tinkering p#sses me off! Should have just bought that Korg D888 years ago.

[chazz]

Surely you jest when you applaud "Apples track record" of hardware and software changes, causing numerous incompatibilities. Apple is notorious for suddenly discontinuing bus architectures (NuBus), at least three major changes in OS,CPU architectures. And each one of these were so different, that few dared think about continued compatibility. Sure, big shot video, and audio users could afford the $10K replacement for dedicated hardware cards,and software upgrades, but everyone else suffered.

The icing on the cake, is windows users can still use many old legacy 8 bit / 16 bit / 32 bit programs, if they don't mind the retro look. And yet, by contrast, with Apple, even small incremental updates are usually guaranteed to break something that was previously working.

One could perhaps say, drivers are a hardware issue, that device manufacturers could/should solve, but of course, they'd rather force you to buy newer hardware.

[johnny h]

Surely you jest when you applaud "Apples track record" of hardware and software changes, causing numerous incompatibilities. Apple is notorious for suddenly discontinuing bus architectures (NuBus), at least three major changes in OS,CPU architectures.

Rather obscure trolling here. NuBus technology was from 1987 and has been obsolete for 20 years. Not sure if you think moving to OSX / Intel CPUs was a mistake, but if you do .. then I'm glad you were never employed at Apple.

[madfiddler]

I ended up building a new PC based on Scan's 5960x config. It would have cost £2300 but ended up costing £1450 sourcing parts elsewhere - I didn't buy a new videocard, or OS as I was going to using my Win7 Ultimate and upgrade to W10.

I installed W7 and upgraded to W10. Burnt an iso of W10, reformated and did a clean install of W10. I then spent the next 3 days installing and configuring my software/plugins - getting the patches across etc. etc. My documents folder is on another drive which helps make this faster.

Anyway, so far so good. Everything is up and running and the OST I'm working on loaded up and played. I then left it for Easter holidays, but turned it on on Easter Monday to be stuck looking at a light blue screen with the W10 dots going around .... and around.... and around..... ad infinitum.

Looking online, I could find not fix for this and all suggestions went back to a fresh installation.

Needless to say, I'm back using W7 Ultimate.

m

[Exalted Wombat]

I ended up building a new PC based on Scan's 5960x config. It would have cost £2300 but ended up costing £1450 sourcing parts elsewhere - I didn't buy a new videocard, or OS as I was going to using my Win7 Ultimate and upgrade to W10.

I installed W7 and upgraded to W10. Burnt an iso of W10, reformated and did a clean install of W10. I then spent the next 3 days installing and configuring my software/plugins - getting the patches across etc. etc. My documents folder is on another drive which helps make this faster.

Anyway, so far so good. Everything is up and running and the OST I'm working on loaded up and played. I then left it for Easter holidays, but turned it on on Easter Monday to be stuck looking at a light blue screen with the W10 dots going around .... and around.... and around..... ad infinitum.

Looking online, I could find not fix for this and all suggestions went back to a fresh installation.

Needless to say, I'm back using W7 Ultimate.

m

You surprise me. The rest of your post doesn't describe a person who gives up and runs away from a bit of problem-solving.

[madfiddler]

You surprise me. The rest of your post doesn't describe a person who gives up and runs away from a bit of problem-solving.

Helpful.

As I said, I did some searching and didn't find a single positive suggestion, and I really can't afford any more down time.

Frankly, if a clean OS install borks up after only a few days, the warning bells are certainly ringing and I'm not going to waste more time with it especially when the previous OS was so stable.

[OneWorld]

I ended up building a new PC based on Scan's 5960x config. It would have cost £2300 but ended up costing £1450 sourcing parts elsewhere - I didn't buy a new videocard, or OS as I was going to using my Win7 Ultimate and upgrade to W10.

I installed W7 and upgraded to W10. Burnt an iso of W10, reformated and did a clean install of W10. I then spent the next 3 days installing and configuring my software/plugins - getting the patches across etc. etc. My documents folder is on another drive which helps make this faster.

Anyway, so far so good. Everything is up and running and the OST I'm working on loaded up and played. I then left it for Easter holidays, but turned it on on Easter Monday to be stuck looking at a light blue screen with the W10 dots going around .... and around.... and around..... ad infinitum.

Looking online, I could find not fix for this and all suggestions went back to a fresh installation.

Needless to say, I'm back using W7 Ultimate.

m

I've been through this baptism of fire a few times. I have a backup drive and make a backup of Ducoments and Settings folder, together with all the VST folders and such. I find most of the time taken with a fresh re-install is not so much the Apps themselves but where they dump all their supporting files. I use some freeware called Agent Ransack. It is a great search tool. I identify all the 'data' folders, where Cubase keeps its templates, macros etc take a pic of the screen with my cam then on re-installing, rebuild the folder structure and populate it with my custom settings.

Took me a while before doing this dawned on me but I always used to fret over doing a re-install of the OS, I do now, but these days it is a one cuppa and biscuits job rather than a trek into the unknown where I need take all the tea in China and enough biccies to feed an army. Cubase used to have an .exe file that showed all the user/docs and setting/steinberg folders but it seems to have vanished now.

And of course, when you have any satisfactory setup - image it.

[Exalted Wombat]

You surprise me. The rest of your post doesn't describe a person who gives up and runs away from a bit of problem-solving.

Helpful.

As I said, I did some searching and didn't find a single positive suggestion, and I really can't afford any more down time.

Frankly, if a clean OS install borks up after only a few days, the warning bells are certainly ringing and I'm not going to waste more time with it especially when the previous OS was so stable.

Unfortunately, update glitches early in the life of a W10 installation are not uncommon. But we get over them, and end up with good, stable systems. W7 was a good one, but quite elderly now. With a new, high-spec computer I do advise you to persist with W10. It's a good one too, really!

[madfiddler]

Thanks for the info on Agent Ransack - I'll deffo check it out.

Yeah, W10 has to succeed eventually. It's running well on another PC I have, funnily enough with that one I simply stuck the hard drive from one PC to another and it simply sorted itself out regarding chipset drivers etc. Never expected that to happen.

I would have persevered with W10 had I found a solution to the problem as generally, I like the way it works and I don't really want to be on a redundant OS. However, since I simply couldn't find a solution, and I know I hadn't installed anything between it working and it not working, my concern was that if I went for another W10 install when was this issue going to come up again, with no apparent solution.

I'll likely try again in a couple of years when it's time to clean up the machine.

[John Reid]

Edge looks very under-cooked at the moment. There are perfectly capable browsers out there, so just download one and forget it - like most of the world is doing, I suspect.

+1, Edge is a joke at the moment, it won't even work on the few sites left in the world that only work with Internet Explorer. Firefox and VLC are your friends.

[ef37a]

Edge looks very under-cooked at the moment. There are perfectly capable browsers out there, so just download one and forget it - like most of the world is doing, I suspect.

+1, Edge is a joke at the moment, it won't even work on the few sites left in the world that only work with Internet Explorer. Firefox and VLC are your friends.

?? I am using IE11 with W7 and really don't have any problems. What sort of thing should not work?

Dave.

[Dynamic Mike]

?? I am using IE11 with W7 and really don't have any problems. What sort of thing should not work?

Dave.

I had no problems with IE11 on W7 and I'm not experiencing any on W10 either. I think a lot of the people who slate IE probably haven't used it since IE7, either that or they use a browser very differently to the way I do. I've not used Edge enough to have an opinion.