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ef37a wrote:Now I do not pretend to understand patent law...

You and me both... and I've held a couple of patents in the past (now expired)!

The concept is straightforward, but the practice is anything but... because it relies on the specific writing and interpretation of the documentation. And it's an industry infested with specialist lawyers (no offence intended to specialist lawyers BTW! ;-) ).

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The US Patent Office has been under a lot of political pressure over the last few years to approve patents - they're seen as a measure of innovation and they have to keep up with the Chinese... :roll:
A lot of stuff that shouldn't be patentable ends up getting locked up until someone with a big enough wallet comes along to litigate it. :(
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Re: valves in a Farfisa pre amp

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Very true. Had some experiences of American companies railroading through patents that shouldn't have been permitted, and then litigating other companies to cease and desist their own legitimate designs! Grrr...

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I had read that if you have a good idea for a gizmo and publish the details in a decently widely read place such as SoS it is "in the public domain" and could not be patented?

You do not earn money off the idea but at least giant b****d company can't either?

There is a (apocryphal?) story that P Walker never patented his ELS because it was SUCH bugger to get right that he simply had to keep the processes secret?

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Re: valves in a Farfisa pre amp

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Think it's a bit more complex than that Dave. Speaking from a US point of view (because I have a better understanding of the law there - which is weird but a separate conversation), patents, like copyrights, can't be assigned to an idea; it has to be the execution of an idea.
So I can't apply for a patent that says, "I've got an idea for a gizmo that does X." I'd need to submit an application that says, "Here is the design for a gizmo that does X," and part of the submission is the details of how that gizmo works.
As a result I could have a load of discussions online about the idea but that wouldn't prejudice the patent application, unless the concept had reached the point where it was no longer an original idea and was simply a logical enhancement of an existing product.
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Re: valves in a Farfisa pre amp

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Ah! But I did not mean just an idea in a magazine Drew. I was thinking of a full blown article about a gadget complete with schematics and a working prototype sent to the magazine to test. (done this* but not to SoS)

My idea is, if you show in detail, "this is how you make a Splatterblatter pedal it is done and dusted?

*No, no interest at all but MAYBE I'll make my million before I am 80?

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Thanks, Dave. You've just reminded me to get my lottery ticket!
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Re: valves in a Farfisa pre amp

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ef37a wrote:I had read that if you have a good idea for a gizmo and publish the details in a decently widely read place such as SoS it is "in the public domain" and could not be patented?

I think the whole thing is quite complicated and, as I mentioned earlier, subject to legal interpretation... But as Drew says, patents apply to the physical implementation of the idea, not the idea itself. You have to show that it can be made to work, and how.

And that's why it is often argued that it's better not to apply for patents, because by doing so you educate your competitors about how your innovative product works, and they can then find a way to circumvent your patent -- like by using piezo transducers in the reverb tank. Instead, just make the thing and hope you establish a market and make money from large sales quickly, before the competition catch on and do their own version.

But as you say, if a product is revealed in detail in public it is difficult then subsequently to get a patent granted, and just as hard to prevent a competitor from making something very similar.

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I once bought some 'patent' leather shoes, and found that everyone else also had some! So much for the so called 'patent' and exclusivity! ;)
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