Arpangel wrote:
I accidentally discovered that it can do all I want it to do, but in a very random and unpredictable way
You say that as if it's a bad thing.
No, not really, it's just been laid out in a way that's very disorientating, deliberately I think, to stop you from approaching it the same way every time.
The Buchla is one of those things that always makes me come up with something new, and I definitely end up in places I had no intention of going.
I'm more confused than ever now, and still haven't got a new delay. My EHX16 is useless for anything other than short delay/chorus, it it won't do long delays at all, the 16 seconds only applies to the looper.
I'm now looking at the Strymon Time Line, as reviewed by that nice chap "Chords Of Orion"
The Boss DD7 could be a cheaper contender though, although it only goes up to 3200ms according to the delay time knob? I don't know where the 6.4 sec's comes from?
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we come to buy, like, and end up using things by a very complicated path thats full of twists and turns, random exploration, and just downright illogical faffing about. Well, I do anyway.
"Lay down all thoughts. Surrender to the voice."
It's a magical mystery tour. Enjoy it.
Regards, John
Jam Man today, and jam tomorrow, man! (as Charles Dodgson never said).
Some of the Digitech rack delays have 8 secs, but you'll struggle to find one.
As a DAW ignoramus, I wonder, isn't there a way to fire your guitar signal into the PC, apply an epoch-sized delay, and have it come back out at you through the speakers, like some grossly unacceptable latency that can never be long enough?!
Another advantage of the Jam Man is that you can split the dry signal and the delay over stereo, and thus manipulate the delayed signal further on a separate recorded track - could that be rigged up in a DAW?
Arpangel wrote:The Boss DD7 could be a cheaper contender though, although it only goes up to 3200ms according to the delay time knob? I don't know where the 6.4 sec's comes from?
There's a 'long' mode which doubles the chosen delay time, presumably by being mono only, not stereo. It's selected by plugging into the A input and using the B output.
My Tensor arrived last week. It’s a "digital tape recorder" pedal. It does lots of tricks, looping, forward/reverse, glitch, serious time stretch +/- 2 octs, tape stop, and more. It has way too many features that can be midi controlled by the nth degree so there is something for lightweights like me to hardcore nerd tweakers. It immediately responded to my expression pedal - whoa!!
I am starting to like it but it has 2 shortcomings so far.
If you put it on the floor like a regular stomp box pedal you are constantly bending over to tweak the knobs unless you hookup a midi controller or optional footpedal. Not great for old backs especially if you are wearing a guitar. If it’s within arms reach off the floor you can’t step on it to trigger and record.
And
It’s 5 seconds of memory. There is a way to get more if you mess with the "recording speed"
I think this and others like Mood (also really super cool) are the new generation of JamMans etc. But they are mono and are in pedal form. But they are way more than pedals. On the other hand I am rediscovering the joy of turning real knobs.
This is still an awesome time to be a musician!
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Arpangel wrote:The Boss DD7 could be a cheaper contender though, although it only goes up to 3200ms according to the delay time knob? I don't know where the 6.4 sec's comes from?
There's a 'long' mode which doubles the chosen delay time, presumably by being mono only, not stereo. It's selected by plugging into the A input and using the B output.
Thanks Wonks, I did look at the general spec but it gave no clue on the Roland site.
Eventide H9? No thanks, too "computery" for me.
I think I'm going for a DD7, it's cheap, and the mono output in long mode is fine, my BEL BD80S was only mono anyway, and I'm not looking for loads of fancy extras I'm not going to use.
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Arpangel wrote:
I think I'm going for a DD7, it's cheap, and the mono output in long mode is fine, my BEL BD80S was only mono anyway, and I'm not looking for loads of fancy extras I'm not going to use.
It's a rabbit hole finding a good echo delay, so much choice.
I want to find one with some vibe to it and so many seem to sound sterile after a while and have a volume drop too....
FWIW I reckon DD7 is a good one to get, it does all the tap tempo divisions and has a few other tricks too. A fair price but no memory slots like a timeline or something. It does sound digital but I think in a good way.
I am looking at a Boss RE-20 for making dub sounds. It has been said that it can go out of control but I figure it has the right feel to it and I can put a compressor after it as necessary. I think the timeline sounds too produced, like the tape echo has been mastered or something.
Arpangel wrote:
I think I'm going for a DD7, it's cheap, and the mono output in long mode is fine, my BEL BD80S was only mono anyway, and I'm not looking for loads of fancy extras I'm not going to use.
It's a rabbit hole finding a good echo delay, so much choice.
I want to find one with some vibe to it and so many seem to sound sterile after a while and have a volume drop too....
FWIW I reckon DD7 is a good one to get, it does all the tap tempo divisions and has a few other tricks too. A fair price but no memory slots like a timeline or something. It does sound digital but I think in a good way.
I am looking at a Boss RE-20 for making dub sounds. It has been said that it can go out of control but I figure it has the right feel to it and I can put a compressor after it as necessary. I think the timeline sounds too produced, like the tape echo has been mastered or something.
I'm put off the Timeline by the fact that to get long delay times you have to string the two engines together, you double the delay time, but you actually hear two different delays at once, so you get quite a complex sound, which is great, but I wouldn't want that all the time, and you can't get rid of it, see the Chords Of Orion Timeline Frippertronics demo on YouTube.
Boss delays are very cool, they may not have pretty boxes, or be trendy, but whenever I've heard a really cool delay, and didn't know what it was, it's quite often turned out to be a standard Boss.
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