Bluetooth headphones which on cable are good enough for producing?

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Re: Bluetooth headphones which on cable are good enough for producing?

Post by KAF »

Ok... :lol:

So, I got the Mobius of my friend who gently lets me try them for a while.
They are good, and I've mixed feelings now.

From one side, I like their round sound.
The bass was at first very neutral and still present.
I feel that after installing the new firmware it became more bassy. I checked in the changelog and it says "bass response improved". I wonder, improved for whom? For the gamers who complained it was not enough bassy?
I couldn't see any difference changing through the several EQ modes.

The quality of the sound is different than any other headphone I had, it feels strange somehow, I can't understand if it's a good or a bad thing.
It feels more roomy, but I always have to check if the 3D isn't on, because it feels like the soundstage is not quite natural. It's like an electronic/digital soundstage more than an analog one.
But it might be that I'm not used to planar?
Is this something typical of planar?

And for example in this track:
https://open.spotify.com/track/3RODSrTfDbiamejziqxPkA?si=_Tuyzz4PRYm9FKpQkGA2iQ
at 4:10 you can hear a percussion starting, which seems like one of those bracelets with many little bells or shells.
In the ATH-M50X (and BT) I can hear that very clear.
In the Mobius, that gets a bit lost.
I'm not able to understand if it's because of a better placement of instruments in the soundstage, which makes some of them a bit in the background, or because of the wide dip around the 5Khz which Rtings talks about.

To my ears the ATH-M50XBT with improved earpads sound as neutral as the Mobius but with more detail in the highs. But with less soundstage, despite how the deeper earpads improve it.

I'm not quite able to decide.

I'm tempted to audition the Aventho. Beyerdynamic told me they're supposedly more neutral than the Amiron.
But I'm not sure about producing with on-ear.
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Re: Bluetooth headphones which on cable are good enough for producing?

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Ok, for the benefit of mankind and the generations to come, here the results of my highly objective and indisputable tests.

Mobius vs ATH-M50XBT (modded with the Brainwavz Angled Sheep's Skin earpads): it was a tough one, I really liked the ATH and I was so proud of my obsessive days of A/B (2 ATH-M50XBT with different earpads, 1 ATH-M50X, 1 Mobius) thanks to which I've found the almost perfect earpads that made them sound, to my imperfect ears, even more neutral than the wired sister.
They are more present than the Mobius in the upper half. Which is good. The Mobius lack there.
Between the dip in my ears, the dip in the Mobius around 5Khz (see review in Rtings), the nature of planars, and the artificial soundstage of the Mobius where some instruments get a bit lost, I felt and feel a lack of vitality there, in general, and specially in the upper half.
The ATH are also lighter and (with the new pads) more comfortable.
But the Mobius had something... A roundness, which makes them more gentle on my ears in the long term. A better albeit artificial soundstage, more separation, more precision in the bass while still being fairly neutral.
And well, can be used with USB, have LDAC (useless for mixing but nice for fun), have this 3D thing, presets...
So. Mobius won.

Mobius vs Aventho Wireless: why Aventho and not Amiron? Ask Beyerdynamics. They told me the Aventho are more neutral and suggested me those over the Amiron for production.
So, I've received, tried, and in 2.2 seconds I knew they had lost. I mean, the Aventho had lost vs Mobius. And Beyerdynamics had lost, their mind.
I don't know nothing about Tesla drivers, but, these headphones need caffeine.
They're not neutral. They're just not alive.
Not even the MIY app, which compensated for the dip on the highs in my ears, could save them.
There is almost zero soundstage. The bass is somehow muddy and pumped.
They sound even darker than the Mobius.
They had also a very noticeable hiss.
And despite being so much lighter, the designer preferred form over function and the junctions of the headband touch the head. Not nice.
Instant return.

Mobius vs Ora Graphene: here I couldn't take advantage of the German Return Right. No Ora here.
I was just about to pull the trigger on an eBay auction for an import from USA.
But I've found a thread on Head-Fi about them, and a few people there had the Mobius too.
So I asked them which one is more neutral.
I was told Mobius.
So, the Ora didn't get a chance.
I stay with the wish to try them.
But Mobius it is.

Mobius vs PXC 550-ii and vs ATH-DSR9BT: I just trusted Rtings and decided not to abuse any further of the Return Right. I've just let go of the obsessive need to compare them too.

Now, I've just ordered the Gel Pads for the Mobius.
I'll come back with my impressions.

I'll also test the AKG K371-BT as soon as they're available. I'm very very very skeptical about the absence of any better codecs than SBC. But, they made them for studio, I must try them.

The Nuraphone remain a curiosity, but I just don't feel that monitoring with something sticking into my ears (besides the reviews about how they make your ears hot) is emotionally convenient.

So.
I think I'll get Morphit, they support Mobius.
And I'll follow the suggestion received in KVR and I'll get a hearing test. Definitive one online, probably also a professional one here locally.
I'll get my EQ Curve, and I'll transpose it in Morphit.
Many people use Morphit with CanOpener, I might try.

That was.
My quest is, at the moment, ended.
And the moment when I understood it was ended, is when I saw the Mobius (I have the copper version) near my Apogee HypeMic.
I think that style is also important.
Colors must fit ;)
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Re: Bluetooth headphones which on cable are good enough for producing?

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My quest is, at the moment, ended.

I’ve enjoyed following your quest. :clap: You have some dedication. :thumbup:
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