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Post by Rich Hanson »

One of the drivers in my HD25 phones has died (I've done a few tests to confirm that it isn't the cable or the connectors).

So to help me weigh up the pros and cons of replacing the driver (~£50) vs buying new phones, are there any recommended phones? Around the $30 mark of course (just kidding :bouncy:)

Somebody did recommend a decent pair that was on discount from somewhere in a thread recently but my searches didn't turn up anything useful (the noise from a certain pair of threads was too much!!)
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AKG K702 from Scan?
This is a list from their site, top of the table...
https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/music-and-p ... headphones
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Post by Eddy Deegan »

Another recommendation for them here. I'm very fond of my AKG K702 set. They are also extraordinarily comfortable to wear for long periods of time and I think there's a lot to be said for that.

I think they represent great value for money, especially these days.
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Post by Rich Hanson »

Aha, yes that was it, thanks muchly.

I could really do without spending more money at the moment. Blinkin' bloody technology!!! Hey ho, that's what credit cards are for, innit :roll:
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Post by John Willett »

Sennheiser have a standard repair charge for the headphones - so get them sorted at Sennheiser - if they need new earpads / headband pads, etc. they will be included in the same price.

I don't know why you were recommended the 702 as it's a totally different type of headphones and, in no way, will do the job the HD 25 do.

My own HD 25 are over 30 yeras old and still going strong - so get them sorted now and they will last you until at least 2050. :thumbup:
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Oh I know the HD25s are closed back and the AKGs are open back. This isn't an issue for me: as I use them more for mixing than tracking open backs would be better.

And just looked, Sennheiser's flat rate repair fee is £66.
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Rich Hanson wrote:Oh I know the HD25s are closed back and the AKGs are open back. This isn't an issue for me: as I use them more for mixing than tracking open backs would be better.

And just looked, Sennheiser's flat rate repair fee is £66.

That's not a bad price for headphones that sold for over £200 - and they do everything for that price - so, unless you replaced them recently, I would suggest getting the earpads and/or headband pads done as well. :thumbup:
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Post by Dynamic Mike »

Replacement parts for 702's are difficult to find & stupidly expensive. I love mine but don't think of them as a long term investment, AGK don't offer the same level of support as Sennheiser. But at Scan's refurb prices it probably doesn't matter so much.
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Post by Martin Walker »

Indeed - the B stock 'Factory Refurbished' K702's at Scan are just £74.99 with free delivery, which makes it less of an obvious choice between the two :round1:

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Post by Dan LB »

John Willett wrote:
Rich Hanson wrote:Oh I know the HD25s are closed back and the AKGs are open back. This isn't an issue for me: as I use them more for mixing than tracking open backs would be better.

And just looked, Sennheiser's flat rate repair fee is £66.

That's not a bad price for headphones that sold for over £200 - and they do everything for that price - so, unless you replaced them recently, I would suggest getting the earpads and/or headband pads done as well. :thumbup:

But they can be bought new now for only £88
https://www.thomann.de/gb/sennheiser_hd ... ImVuIn0%3D

So not really a great price for a repair anymore (75% of the new price)

88 quid is a bloody bargain though!
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Indeed, I bought my HD25s for a little over £100 about five years ago.

It's going to have to wait until after next pay day anyway so if AKGs are no longer available then I'll just suck it up and go for the repair.
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Post by Mike Stranks »

I'll see your £88... and quote £87 from Sennheiser themselves - including VAT and Delivery.

Should beat Thomann handsomely as with T you'll be paying their 10 euro delivery charge...

BUT...

There are HD25s and HD25s...

The 'pro' version (almost certainly the ones JW is referencing and used by pro sound people worldwide) is still about double the price:

https://en-uk.sennheiser.com/hd-25-plus

Best to be sure we're comparing apples with apples... :)
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Post by Pete Kaine »

Mike Stranks wrote:and quote £87 from Sennheiser themselves - including VAT and Delivery.

We're also matching that deal currently.

Another 20+ years owner, with 10 of those spent gigging with them. Even with the ever-growing pile of headphones by my desk, still seeing a surprising amount of use. They easily prove the point that simply knowing your kit can often prove more important than the technical specs on paper.

The AkG refurb outlet thing we've been doing for a few years now, I'm not aware of it stopping any time soon but they do tend to show up as and when they have the time to process them.
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According to their comparison the only difference between the HD25 model that I have and the HD25 Plus is an extra cable and extra earpads are included along with a carry bag. The plus' cable is also twice the length.

The other specifications given on their respective pages are identical.
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Rich Hanson wrote:According to their comparison the only difference between the HD25 model that I have and the HD25 Plus is an extra cable and extra earpads are included along with a carry bag. The plus' cable is also twice the length.

The other specifications given on their respective pages are identical.

Fair enough... could be that Sennheiser have simplified things... I remember at some point Hugh gave a comprehensive run-down of all the options and IIRC there were definite technical differences then.

I like my (Scan refurb) 702s a lot... excellent value and good cans...
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Post by Rich Hanson »

There's an HD 25 Light which is indeed a cut down version.

I'm thinking the sensible option is to buy the 25s, and hold on to the old ones for spares.
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Mike Stranks wrote:...I remember at some point Hugh gave a comprehensive run-down of all the options and IIRC there were definite technical differences then.

It was John Willett, actually, and we archived that information into the Useful Information Archive Forum:

https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=61870

Specifically, JW listed these versions:

HD 25-1 II - 70Ω - 1.5m steel cable with rt.angled connector.

HD 25 II - 70Ω - 2m steel cable with straight connector.

HD 25-C II - 70Ω - 2/3m coiled copper cable with straight connector.

HD 25-13 II - 600Ω - 3m steel cable with straight connector.

All the above have the split headband and single-sided cable.

The one below has a cheap headband and a double-sided "Y" cable and lower quality downrated capsules:

HD 25-SP II - 90Ω - 3m steel cable with straight connector.

I don't think Sennheiser are helping their customers with such confusing identifying names... but the basic rule is: avoid the SP version!
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Looks like they've simplified the range now to the HD25, HD25 Plus (which are the same) and the Light which has a reduced specification, all are 70Ω - a search for HD25 on the website only brings up those three (plus umpteen accessories and spares)
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Post by MarkyC »

Hi there,

First up apologies Richard I hope this is not hijacking your thread (well it is kind of but hope you don't mind as I think you have resolution and goodness knows we don't need another thread!).

I have been looking for new headphones also as having real difficulty judging the dreaded low end of mixes. The San offer on the 702's seems too good to miss out on and as I tend to mix with a partner I would need two pairs.

Currently using the AKG 240s phones I purchased years ago when first getting into all this stuff. They are really comfortable but just not quite doing it for bass (the gener is electronic so deep 808 kicks and low frequency synth lines are a thing).

From other threads I see the 712's do have more bass extension but consensus seems to say that the 702's are more than capable. Is there any reason not to pull the trigger on the Sacn offer?

Cheers as always,
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MarkyC wrote:From other threads I see the 712's do have more bass extension but consensus seems to say that the 702's are more than capable.

I have both here. The 702s *are* more than capable.
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Cheers Elf - it was actually one of your posts I was referring to and just wanted to double check my understanding :thumbup:

So consider them got - Many thanks!
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Post by fatbenelton »

There are HD25 light which are different (dunno in what way) but the normal HD25 and HD25 plus are indeed the same units with the plus having a coiled cable, spare ear pads and a soft case....otherwise the same actual headphones.

Outlined here: (at bottom of linked page there is a HD 25 comparison)

https://en-uk.sennheiser.com/on-ear-dj-headphone-hd25
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Dan LB wrote:
John Willett wrote:
Rich Hanson wrote:Oh I know the HD25s are closed back and the AKGs are open back. This isn't an issue for me: as I use them more for mixing than tracking open backs would be better.

And just looked, Sennheiser's flat rate repair fee is £66.

That's not a bad price for headphones that sold for over £200 - and they do everything for that price - so, unless you replaced them recently, I would suggest getting the earpads and/or headband pads done as well. :thumbup:

But they can be bought new now for only £88
https://www.thomann.de/gb/sennheiser_hd ... ImVuIn0%3D

So not really a great price for a repair anymore (75% of the new price)

88 quid is a bloody bargain though!

:o They were over £200 when I bought mine over 30 years ago :o

But £88 is high - Sennheiser are doing them for £87 - but ONLY if bought this month.
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I've put in my order with Sennheiser already, no stock until next week though.

I can wait :bouncy:
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Rich Hanson wrote:I've put in my order with Sennheiser already, no stock until next week though.

:lol: That's just two days away.
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