HipHop

[tea for two]

HipHop was is rooted in Social conscience, Enlightenment, Womens rights, Civil rights,
Knowledge of self, Struggle for learning, Struggle against poverty, Struggle against oppression.

Therefore any musician regardless of genre culture colour : expressing singing about these issues is HipHop.

For instance Elvis singing In The Ghetto written by
Scott Mac Davis a country singer songwriter is HipHop.

Steve Winwood Higher Love is HipHop.

I'm sure there are several songs we like that are HipHop.

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Now I'm sure many may disagree with me.
Hey HipHop has a distinctive style(s) : in its beats, samples, spoken delivery ..... true true.

Nevertheless it is the message only the message that makes it HipHop

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("Gangsta Rap" is as someone took the worst apples in the basket made them into toffee apples for masses to consume).

("Pop Rap" prevalent in charts is candyfloss).

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("ChapHop" "ChavRap" however are triffic fun).

[Eddy Deegan]

HipHop was is rooted in Social conscience, Enlightenment, Womens rights, Civil rights,
Knowledge of self, Struggle for learning, Struggle against poverty, Struggle against oppression.

Therefore any musician regardless of genre culture colour : expressing singing about these issues is HipHop.

Sorry, no way. Early hiphop (recent enough that I was at school when it emerged in the UK) in particular was extremely non-complimentary towards women. The blues were rooted in most of the ideals you list, primarily the anti-oppression sentiment in all its flavours, and got there nearly a century before hiphop was even a thing.

Folk music also has much to offer on the subjects listed, some of it emerging from the terrible conditions workers were faced with in the mining industry (and others) way back in the early 1900s.

Hiphop may have its own flavours to add but simply doesn't get to come along late to the party and claim ownership of it all. Nice try though

PS: "Peat Bog Soldiers", an anti-oppression song dating back to the early 1930s, is also related.

[Watchmaker]

I like the intent of the thought process, but simply because hip-hop shares the artistic exploration of archetypal content with its antecedents does not make it's formative sources hip hop. It's like calling the roast pudding because you had pudding after the roast.

[shufflebeat]

Peat Bog Soldiers:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peat_Bog_Soldiers

Yeah, Elvis? Hip-hop? No.

Just because a tomato is a fruit does not mean you can put strawberries on a pizza.

[zenguitar]

And there is a part of me that is now thinking about how it might be be possible to create a strawberry based sweet pizza....

There are already so many breads that can be sweet or savoury. And the best outcome could be having to chose between crispy or deep pan strawberry pizza, and the best accompaniment for each.

Andy

[ManFromGlass]

The best accompaniment would be whiskey.
As for Elvis? Wasn’t his favourite sandwich peanut butter and bacon?
Interesting idea about hip hop but I think some historical research might change some of those thoughts.

My thesis regarding rap music is based on this unresearched premise. Rap originated in square dance calling. So it grew from redneck roots.

But in the end - a good tune is a good tune, no matter the genre.

[al_diablo]

And there is a part of me that is now thinking about how it might be be possible to create a strawberry based sweet pizza....

There are already so many breads that can be sweet or savoury. And the best outcome could be having to chose between crispy or deep pan strawberry pizza, and the best accompaniment for each.

Andy

Confit strawberries, mascarpone and basil would be a lovely combo.

Regarding the original post, I agree that there is shared experience with other genres, but hip hop is so entwined with black identity that I think an attempt to include more disparate artists and styles in the same bracket could be viewed through the lens of minimising black culture - something I have read a few articles about recently, it seems to be getting the recognition it deserves.

I am not, for a second, suggesting this was your intention by the way, only offering a different interpretation.

Alex

[Arpangel]

Some Hip-Hop I like, but it’s a wide genre.
But those I know who are deeply into it play me tracks sometimes, and to me, a lot of it comes across in a very negative way, and that’s an understatement, in fact I’d go as far to say that a lot of it can be harmful to young people.
The music I’m talking about has little to do with the struggle for freedom and equality across the races, it’s just another bunch of greedy music biz execs cashing in and stoking a fire purely for financial gain. Just like it’s always been in the "music business"
I’m certainly not hearing anything even approaching what I first heard in "The Message" by Grandmaster Flash.

[Humble Bee]

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[CS70]

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Omg I can't unsee that!

[shufflebeat]

And there is a part of me that is now thinking about how it might be be possible to create a strawberry based sweet pizza....

There are already so many breads that can be sweet or savoury. And the best outcome could be having to chose between crispy or deep pan strawberry pizza, and the best accompaniment for each.

Andy

Sweezza?