Yamaha 02R digital mixing console.

[VTypeV4]

Hi, Hinnerker..

Sounds like a bit of a nightmare!

I would question whether the 02R operating system is up to date enough - version 2.16 is the latest - but the fact you have an existing card that is working correctly suggests this isn't a problem. It might be worth upgrading to 2.16 anyways as the last set I bought were very cheap from eBay..

As for the Unity software, version 2.12 is the most up to date with most of the bugs ironed out.

I don't know if the disks you have are to re-flash the Unity card but I have the files to send you if they're not. I have never successfully re-flashed a card but I know others that have replied here, have.

I'm sorry that's a bit vague but hopefully one of the other members will be able to help you.

Personally, I'd pull my 'known good' card out and run the .wiz file into the new card and see if that changes anything - seems unlikely that you could make it any worse.

Best of luck.

[hinnerker]

Thanks for your reply.

The ROM Version of the Yamaha is V2.15 which was delivered with my Finalizer Card, so i think, that would be O.K. in terms of OS actuallity for the TC Card.

The card itself was recognized installed on SLOT 4 and i can see the card is correct established, but he told me on the main page, that the desk didnt find a valid software on UnitY card in Slot 4. Please upload valid software. This message was reported in the window, where you normally has an overview about the stored programms.

The cursor is caged and you can only reach the points "Remote1", "Remote2", "Remote2" and "Remote4". With the dial wheel you can only choose another controller... thats it.

I have the Upload programm started an there is a possibility to choose the COM Port (default is Com1) and you have to choose the SLOT in the Yamaha desk, where the card was established.

After that, he is asking for the Location of the .wiz file... imho this should the software the programm wants to upload to the card.

I also did a file reading of the .wiz file with a simple "Windows Notepad" - Editor and it seems to me, that this is the programm code itself to upload to the TC Card. in the right SLOT.

On file reading i could see - between the whole cryptical code fragments, some ASCII - Signs which represent the Titels of the default M2000 programm places 1-40.
For example "Living Room", Steel Plate, Gold Plate, Rich Plate and so on.

So i think, that this WIZ file is really the programm code itself.

I have to solder a serial "to host" cable to connect PC and Yamaha desk or are there any ready to go cables available?

If i can upload the Software in the .wiz file to the card, what would be the next step regarding licensing or would the card work again for the 100 Hour free trial Period?

Is tere anything else i have to consider?

Regards and thanks again for the reply.

Hinnerker

[VTypeV4]

Well all that sounds very comprehensive and in order - everything seems right at least..

As for licenses and codes etc, I'd get the card in demo mode first then you at least know the card is good before investing time in the next step.

I can see no reason why you'd make things any worse by uploading the software - your card doesn't seem to currently work and re-flashing it may well bring it back to life. I say go for it and see how you go.

[hinnerker]

Thanks for the kind words...

I only do use the desk and the cards together with my Motu devices 24 ocassionally.
Years ago i was a "live engineer" with old analog mixing desk like the Midas PRO 4.
The Motu devices are for live recording (Motu 24 i/o) with Steinberg Nuendo. So during the last years i did some live recordings for some bands and the concerts are on my HD. Some of them are mixdown, others not.

After nearly 25 years absence from "live business" with the analogue desks i decided some weeks ago to buy an old Yamaha O2R to find out, if my intellectual skills would be enough to understand the first digital desk...
I ended doing "live business" in 1995, so its near, to buy this 25 Year old desk which was the first one after i finished the business...

So i hope, i will bring the card to live again. I am waiting for the connectors to make the serial cable between PC and Yamaha O2R and will report the further details here in your Yamaha O2R - topic.

Regards
Henry

[hinnerker]

Perfect... after soldering the serial RS232 to Mini DIN 8 pin cable, the disc with the upload software did the job. Connection established between COM 1 and SLOT 4 of the desk, the .wiz file with the Software Version 2.11 could be uploaded and now the card is working again.
Seemed the card runs in demo mode again, because both engines are working and i can recall all presets from M2000 as well as the Finalizer programms.

Have routed the card with AUX 1&2 as inputs and Outputs directly to St LR.

Does anyone know, what is going to happen, if the 100 hour demo mode time finished?

Is there any solution to activate both card engines with a License code from somewhere.
As far as i know TC Electronics doesnt support this cards since years.

The member "BME" from this forum wrote that he was working on a solution... is there any solution from him, or stopped he his development ?

Regards
Henry

[VTypeV4]

I too am from the live scene - I've been doing it for the best part of 20 years. My digital story started about ten years ago with a friends Soundcraft 328XD - great sounding console. The association with the 02R goes back almost as far and both the Yamaha and the Soundcraft got me into live multi-track recordings using a PC and MOTU interfaces.

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My two 'live' consoles are dormant in a small local venue but my super jacked up 'home' console (dual unity) has been brought into service with a mini home setup.

[hinnerker]

Nice setup !

I also want to use a "double Unity" - Setup with the "Finalizer" TC card as an Insert in the LR sum and the second card with the M2000 Software as an intern FX Unit.

But at the moment i have problems to setting the things up. I can use the Finalizer Card as an LR Insert in SLOT 3 with extended routing, but i dont understand the signal flow with the M2000?

Both cards (M2000 and the Finalizer card) are without I/O extensions.

Could you give me a hint, which card i should establish in which Slot and how to setup the routing for the both M2000 engines on the other card.

I dont understand the routings for the M2000 card. I want to use this card with AUX 1 and AUX 2 without lost of Input channels. Until now i could establish the M2000 card only in Slot 3 with extend routing and get my constellation working with AUX 1 and AUX 2 as the Input and routing directly to LR sum.

Its a mess with the routings of the consol, if you are familiar with analog desks...

We had simply some cables to route any effect to any Return Channel...
The manual i do have are incredible about describing the Routing options with the cards.

Would be great, if you can show me your Setup of the Dual TC card desk on the I/O section and the routings.

Another last point about the software. Do you have newer Software for the TC Cards?
I do have the 2.11 Software now on the card but i read, there is a newer software ?
What did change ?
Should i also change the Eproms to V2.16 instead of V2.15 at the moment?
What are the changes?
Sorry for all the questions... but i hope i can save a lot of time in researching all the things.
There are enough other things i want to change on the desk (for example adding direct outs/Inserts for Channel 9-16 to connect my Motu devices. I already studied the service sheets with the PCB and there could be a simple solution to get more direct outs. Normally the desk has only 8 Inserts on the first 8 Channels and i am going to solder 8 additional Jacks for the Channels 9-16 to connect 1-16 to the Motu. In most cases this should be enough for my needs. I have also 3 ADAT Cards coming with the desk, but i dont want to make things more complicated with more and more Outboard gear.

I have tried to connect the 3 Adat cards with my second Motu (a 2408 with 24 Channels of ADAT) but this makes things not easier for me

I also do own 2 x Lexicon Nuverb cards (each on an old Mac, the Nuverb cards are the same hardware like a Lexicon 300 !!) with a ADDA converter (Flying Cow) i plan to use in the future.
That would be a lot of work to realize all the things... so i want to spent not more time in finding the optimal routing in the Yamaha desk for the 2 TC Cards.

Thanks for your reply and i am happy to find a collegue from "Live Business"...

Regards
Henry

[VTypeV4]

Looking good so far..
This is taken from another person I helped earlier this year..

"Go to the digital i/o pages (3/5), select slot 3 and make sure AUX 1-8 are highlighted - centre row of options..

With that done, now go to the main Unity control page (MIDI 5/5). At the bottom of the page, make sure 'EXT.RT' is highlighted.

Above each engine is the source of audio for them. You should be able to select a different aux for each one - I use aux 5 for engine one and aux 6 for engine 2 although you can pick any it allows you to.

Now, below the engine selections are the routing returns, I simply select ST LR so the 17/18 and 19/20 faders and their respective 'on' buttons control the returns of each engine straight into the L/R bus of the 02R.

This configuration will work for the dual M2000"

Because your cards don't have the external I/O, configuration might be a little trickier. I'd put your 'M2000' card in slot three and run it 'extended routing' mode so you can return the FX to L/R (as above) then the 'Finalizer' card in slot four..

"To use the finalizer, you'll need to go to Digital i/o page (3/5) again and where you previously had all the auxes selected. De-select auxes 5-6 by selecting the ST L below aux 5 and then double clicking it. By doing that, it should change the selection from 'ST L' to 'Ins L' and the one next to it to 'Ins R'..

Once you have this sorted, load one of the finalizer pre-sets on one of the engines (I think it's usually engine 2) then change the routing on the main Unity page. You need to select the input on that engine to 'Ins LR' (above the engine select) and it's output (below engine select) to 'ST LR'..

I haven't got an 02R in front of me so this is mainly from memory - I think this is all correct but I'll have a look later if you struggle.

Make sure you have a preset saved on your 02R for both configs - it's much easier than re-routing every time you need the 'other' config"

Hope that helps. I'll address the other questions a little later.

Best of luck!

[hinnerker]

Thanks for the reply...

You wrote:

"To use the finalizer, you'll need to go to Digital i/o page (3/5) again and where you previously had all the auxes selected. De-select auxes 5-6 by selecting the ST L below aux 5 and then double clicking it. By doing that, it should change the selection from 'ST L' to 'Ins L' and the one next to it to 'Ins R'.."

Doesnt work with two card configuration. If i take my Finalizer - Card "standalone" in SLOT 3, the routing you described works correct since weeks in my desk, but with the second card (both M2000 engines activated) i didnt find a way to establish both cards (the Finalizer should work as an Stereo Insert "pre Fader" and the M2000 Card with either Aux 1&2 / 3&4 / 5&6 / 7&8 as input and routed directly to LR Stereo su.

The aim is, to have both FX Engines on the AUXilliaries as Input and the Finalizer Card as a "Master EQ" inserted.

I have ordered now ODD/EVEN Roms with Version 2.16 OS, so maybe its a question of the OS why this doesnt work on my desk.

Which Version you are using in your desk?

Regards
Henry

[VTypeV4]

Hi Henry..

I'm unaware of the detail differences between v2.15 and v2.16 EPROM - I've never had the earlier version. I've also only had v2.12 of the UNITY software too..

I'm not sure why it won't let you do both given the cards are in different configs.
I can understand it not letting you share aux across the cards but the fact you're using one as in insert and the other as send / return, I can't understand. To drive my cards, I have to use aux 1 & 2 and 5 & 6 - I'll see if it let me do the Finalizer insert later..

It's such a shame you can't run both in extended routing mode as that would make life so much easier!

[hinnerker]

oh, you have got the Version 2.12... any possibility to get the software package?
Maybe they have changed someting, what makes life easier for me?

I can establish each card "standalone" the Finalizer as an Insert with return to ST.
Works perfect with the two Stereo channel - pairs 17/18 and 19/20 if i Flip to the Finalizer Engine. But this works only if extended routing is activ.

The M2000 card works with both engines also if card is in extended routing. If not, i can not select anything else , only 5/6 Out or 7/8

So i dont understand the whole routing section...

What does it mean, if only these two pairs are selectable... Where i find the FX returns from the engines if Out 5.6 or 7.8 is selected?

[VTypeV4]

I've just had a flick through the manual and it seems that your returns (because you can't run two cards in EXT.RT mode) are trying to return on your analog inputs 5/6 and 7/8..

You'll need to go to the DI/O page and find where the input source is selected, then enable in the inputs from that respective slot - you should then have your returns albeit at the expense of analogue inputs.

Those returns are also normally available at the card out but you won't be able to 'see' them as I think you said neither Unity has the I/O port. The only reason I haven't had to give any analogue inputs up is that A: only use the M2000 processing and B, I take the returns out of one of the cards and return into the other via the ADAT port then use the 'extra' 8 inputs (only on additional I/O cards) to return them..

Sorry that's so very convoluted.

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[hinnerker]

Another Question...

is there any chance to route the M2000 Outs via ADAT to my Motu 2408 V1 and analog back for example analog inputs 21/22 and 23/24 into the desk?

The Motu do have 3 banks, A, B, C with 8 Channels each. On bank could be mirror to analog!

Maybe that could be a way?

Regards
Henry

[VTypeV4]

To put it simply, no, sorry..

You can only output the M2000 returns internally - the only way to route it 'out' would be via the outputs of that card and given your cards don't have the additional I/O, you're stumped, sadly..

[imad3310]

Hello
I need the license codes please someone who can help me here is the serial number of the TC Electronics TC-Unity card. 6002250
I hope you can provide me with a patient thank you in advance thank you and thank you

[VTypeV4]

Hopefully one of the previous posters here will see this - he is an electronics pro capable of re-programming the cards rendering the codes null.

[imad3310]

Thank you very much I also hope I look forward to that I separate myself from this problem
serial number of the TC Electronics TC-Unity card. 6002250

[Skatronix]

Hi,

thanks for sharing your thoughts and expertise. Answering this thread as just got myself O2R with TC UNITY and 2x ADAT. Im using the board in conjunction with Focusrite Liquid saffire 56 which has 2x ADAT I/O and now i have a monsterious 28 in 28 out recording system. I figured out how the routing goes but I have the same problem with my UNITY card, it shows up but doesnt response.
Will try out tomorrow with help from this thread and hopefully get it working as supposed.

Greets from Finland!

[VTypeV4]

Good luck @Skatronix - you'll not be disappointed if you manage to get the Unity working properly..

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[Airfix]

Excellent pics from VTypeV4. V sexy. I heard the O2R sucks.

[Airfix]

just kidding -

[VTypeV4]

As they say, beauty is in the eye (or indeed ear!) of the beholder - ha..

All of my 02R fleet are currently happy so that makes me happy too.

[Bme]

Update on the TC unity license codes.
I'm still working on the TC-unity license codes and I made quite a progress..
I'm pretty sure that I can enable the second engine, if I have the first license code.

The licencecode is a string of 23 numbers.
Till now I figured out 20 numbers.
To get the job done I need more combinations of
- licencecodes
- serial numbers
- dealercodes
So please help me, so I can help others to make work these cards work again.

[technosloth]

When I started reading this post i assumed it was long dead, but i see not.

So are you saying that if i dig out the license info for my unity M2000 you could give me the code for the finalizer (which i, errrr, lost)?

it's in a box up high and its late, and im drunk, so i'll get it down tomorrow

[Bme]

Did you found the licensecode of the M2000? (and serial number).