In other news, Behringer/MT have fixed up both TFF Linn Drum's that they acquired and have dumped all the TFF EPROM's and plan to include said sounds in the upcoming LM Drum
Behringer FB wrote:In 2018 we were very lucky to acquire a huge collection of instruments from the legendary British band “Tears For Fears”. Among these instruments were two beaten up Linn Drum machines.
Not only have we completely restored them, but we were also very fortunate to extract all the T4F sounds from the band’s EPROMs.
These sounds will be part of our upcoming LM Drum we will be releasing in the future. This is such a fun project.
Arpangel wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:41 pmJohn, the thing that made the Pro 5 for me was it’s modulation routing, you could get really nicely weird with that in no time.
I can imagine. The modulation routing would be my main reason to choose a Prophet. There must be a whole world of sound to be explored.
It was pretty good at the time, but the Prophet's fixed mod matrix is actually limited by modern standards. Even the humble MicroMonsta 2 (my latest acquisition) has 10 assignable modulation slots, which truly does send you spiralling down the rabbit hole of possibilities.
Arpangel wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:41 pmJohn, the thing that made the Pro 5 for me was it’s modulation routing, you could get really nicely weird with that in no time.
I can imagine. The modulation routing would be my main reason to choose a Prophet. There must be a whole world of sound to be explored.
Ask me to remember how that modulation works and I couldn’t tell you, I could never picture it.
But when I just messed around with the knobs all manner of strange things start to happen, you instantly go from straight sounds, into this other world, that would require lots of menu diving on other synths, that’s why I like it, that weirdness is right there in front of you, on knobs.
I think it’s cross-modulation, it can produce sounds like bit reduction, great random stuff too, that can be applied in small amounts to basic wave patches, makes them sound really mysterious.
John Stafford wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:31 am
That's what I love about the Odyssey. You are always just one step away from Crazytown.
I had an Orange Odyssey, I had an external filter CV socket added, it never seemed to work properly after that, I really miss that sound, that lovely tight, sync bass, completely different from Moog's.
Not very reliable, I had to wait ages for a filter chip to turn up, those encapsulated ones, that was an awful trend, covering things in resin, made repairs so much more difficult.
John Stafford wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:31 am
That's what I love about the Odyssey. You are always just one step away from Crazytown.
I had an Orange Odyssey, I had an external filter CV socket added, it never seemed to work properly after that, I really miss that sound, that lovely tight, sync bass, completely different from Moog's.
Not very reliable, I had to wait ages for a filter chip to turn up, those encapsulated ones, that was an awful trend, covering things in resin, made repairs so much more difficult.
Scary thought. I have an old one on the way. It needs work, but I got it cheap. I have an electronics engineer to help with the restoration. If there's any problem with the filter, it's going to be replaced, as I can't be bothered pecking away at a potted module. When I'm gone, the next owner can worry about that. I don't think anything else in this particular synth is encapsulated. The switches and sliders are ok (I think).
I got the Korg desktop version and it's great, but I've been looking for a full-sized version with a keyboard. I use my digital piano as a keyboard for my Moog Grandmother, so an extra keyboard with CV out will come in handy.
I don't have a big collection of synths, and a second Odyssey is something I really wanted. All I need now is a Mother 32 and I'll be done. (Yeah right... )
John Stafford wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:31 am
That's what I love about the Odyssey. You are always just one step away from Crazytown.
I had an Orange Odyssey, I had an external filter CV socket added, it never seemed to work properly after that, I really miss that sound, that lovely tight, sync bass, completely different from Moog's.
Not very reliable, I had to wait ages for a filter chip to turn up, those encapsulated ones, that was an awful trend, covering things in resin, made repairs so much more difficult.
Scary thought. I have an old one on the way. It needs work, but I got it cheap. I have an electronics engineer to help with the restoration. If there's any problem with the filter, it's going to be replaced, as I can't be bothered pecking away at a potted module. When I'm gone, the next owner can worry about that. I don't think anything else in this particular synth is encapsulated. The switches and sliders are ok (I think).
I got the Korg desktop version and it's great, but I've been looking for a full-sized version with a keyboard. I use my digital piano as a keyboard for my Moog Grandmother, so an extra keyboard with CV out will come in handy.
I don't have a big collection of synths, and a second Odyssey is something I really wanted. All I need now is a Mother 32 and I'll be done. (Yeah right... )
You’re braver than I am, although, I’ve been looking at a Moog Prodigy that popped up recently, can’t make up my mind whether to go for it or not, they have very nostalgic memory’s for me, it would be good to have that back again.
Arpangel wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:37 am
You’re braver than I am, although, I’ve been looking at a Moog Prodigy that popped up recently, can’t make up my mind whether to go for it or not, they have very nostalgic memory’s for me, it would be good to have that back again.
Having an electronics engineer on hand helps!
A Prodigy would be lovely. I'd also like a Micromoog.
Arpangel wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:37 am
You’re braver than I am, although, I’ve been looking at a Moog Prodigy that popped up recently, can’t make up my mind whether to go for it or not, they have very nostalgic memory’s for me, it would be good to have that back again.
Having an electronics engineer on hand helps!
A Prodigy would be lovely. I'd also like a Micromoog.
I think I’m going to get the Prodigy, I’m a bit scared, they say it’s been recently "serviced" it’s in great cosmetic shape, but that doesn’t mean anything.
It’s the "right price" so not a bargain, it has a great sound, and it was one of my first synths, I bought mine new in 1978 from Rod Argents in Denmark Street, great memories.
The Elf wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:14 pm
"Vladimir Kuzmin and Behringer announced today that they have entered into a collaboration to develop a new Polivoks synthesizer."
Not my bag, but someone may be interested.
And seems to have been initiated from Vladimir contacting Behringer to see if they want to make one rather than Behringer having the idea and contacting him. So hopefully this is one clone people can't complain about!
As a non-synth person, I find that quite intriguing. But it also doesn't really sound any different to any number of other synths.
N i g e l wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:15 pm
Interesting quote from a short 2016 interview -
Would you ever consider bringing the Polivoks back yourself, though?
Russian proverb says: it’s not possible to step in the same water twice.
Presumably the full quote finishes with "unless one is paid a sizeable amount of cash"?
Behringer's parts-bin engineering gave me a thought, did the Yamaha CS series all use the same basic VCO and VCF design, from the monosynths to the big polysynths?
Because my first monosynth was a CS-15 and I have very fond memories of it, and no other synth of the time sounded as smooth or as stable. I always assumed it was because Yamaha designed their own components internally rather than using off-the-shelf components like pretty much everyone else. I've never played a Yamaha poly though, and never heard a sound comparison between the monos and the polys.
t-sun wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:23 pm
Behringer's parts-bin engineering gave me a thought, did the Yamaha CS series all use the same basic VCO and VCF design, from the monosynths to the big polysynths?
Because my first monosynth was a CS-15 and I have very fond memories of it, and no other synth of the time sounded as smooth or as stable. I always assumed it was because Yamaha designed their own components internally rather than using off-the-shelf components like pretty much everyone else. I've never played a Yamaha poly though, and never heard a sound comparison between the monos and the polys.
Yamaha designed and manufactured their own chips – VCO, VCF, VCA, keyboard scanners, all the usual suspects – and used these in all their CS synths, mono and poly. There are differences in what's around them, so the circuits do vary from model to model, but the core operations are mostly carried out by the same pieces.
I've had a few CS synths – 01, 5, 10, 15, 40m – but never had the opportunity to play one alongside a big poly to find out how they compare either.
DGL. wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:40 pm
A couple of potential new things from Behringer,
Potentially a Bode Frequency Shifter for the Moog system, quite complicated so would be ~$199, only a render so far.
And secondly a Pearl Syncussion clone in a Wasp/Model D/Neutron/CAT style case, looks like a real prototype exists.
Im beginning to wonder about you DGL, have you put spyware on my tablet?
Just yesterday, I was looking at available Bode shifters, very few, and very expensive, then I thought "I wonder if Behringer has one in their Moog range?" And then I find this.
Yet again, sold.
Im beginning to wonder about you DGL, have you put spyware on my tablet?
Just yesterday, I was looking at available Bode shifters, very few, and very expensive, then I thought "I wonder if Behringer has one in their Moog range?" And then I find this.
Yet again, sold.
Well if you don't want me to tell everyone about those naughty websites you have been visiting...
Who would have thought, though, when Behringer went into synths they would be probably the largest manufacturer of them within a few years. I count 22 products if you count the 2500/100/Moog modules as one range, including all the colour options and different modules Thomann has 105 Behringer synth products, looking also in the Thomann synth category for what is sold by the big three, Behringer has more synth products than all of them combined!
Im beginning to wonder about you DGL, have you put spyware on my tablet?
Just yesterday, I was looking at available Bode shifters, very few, and very expensive, then I thought "I wonder if Behringer has one in their Moog range?" And then I find this.
Yet again, sold.
Well if you don't want me to tell everyone about those naughty websites you have been visiting...
Who would have thought, though, when Behringer went into synths they would be probably the largest manufacturer of them within a few years. I count 22 products if you count the 2500/100/Moog modules as one range, including all the colour options and different modules Thomann has 105 Behringer synth products, looking also in the Thomann synth category for what is sold by the big three, Behringer has more synth products than all of them combined!
Im beginning to wonder about you DGL, have you put spyware on my tablet?
Just yesterday, I was looking at available Bode shifters, very few, and very expensive, then I thought "I wonder if Behringer has one in their Moog range?" And then I find this.
Yet again, sold.
Well if you don't want me to tell everyone about those naughty websites you have been visiting...
Who would have thought, though, when Behringer went into synths they would be probably the largest manufacturer of them within a few years. I count 22 products if you count the 2500/100/Moog modules as one range, including all the colour options and different modules Thomann has 105 Behringer synth products, looking also in the Thomann synth category for what is sold by the big three, Behringer has more synth products than all of them combined!
Naughty websites? like Modular Grid.
Well if you have another half most probably
"YOU SPENT HOW MUCH!?!? ON THAT PIDDLY THING! AND YOU WANT MORE?!?!?"
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it’s in great cosmetic shape, but that doesn’t mean anything.
