Windows 11 installed - and all's well

[The Elf]

I've installed Win 11 on the studio PC tonight.

No serious problems to report, but I thought it might be worth documenting the few wrinkles I had to sort out in case it may help others.

The Korg drivers were screwed up, as usual. Korg drivers still have to be in the first 10 Windows driver slots. Sigh... Good grief, Korg! What year is this? Seriously?!?! I did the usual fiddling around to bodge a solution on Korg's behalf...

...which resulted in my audio interface not being found on next start-up of Cubase, so I had the job of re-building all my I/O settings. Tiresome, but it worked.

My eLicenser needed updating. No problem there.

My pair of MOTU MIDI Express 128 interfaces yet again decided to swap themselves around... and then swapped back on next re-start. They haven't done this for a few years. I long ago learned to keep two versions of my Cubase MIDI Devices file - one 'normal' and one 'reversed'.

Now I will come to the Win 11 feature that has me concerned for the sanity of the Microsoft development team... Who decided on the right-click 'Show more options'! How did *anyone* think this was good idea?! Cut, copy, paste... all of those use-all-the-time context menus are all now hidden behind an extra mouse click. Utter stupidity!

Happily I know of a registry hack (And Win Aero Tweaker) to solve this. Would that the Microsoft analyst who dreamed this one one up could be fixed so easily...

And that's about it. An hour or so of mopping up, but all is well. That's the last of my PCs brought bang up to date and it's been relatively painless.

[Eddy Deegan]

Happy to hear it worked out; you're a more patient man than I with regards to the additional click required for stuff that's obviously supposed to be a primary menu option but at least nothing was catastrophically broken!

[Aled Hughes]

Now I will come to the Win 11 feature that has me concerned for the sanity of the Microsoft development team... Who decided on the right-click 'Show more options'! How did *anyone* think this was good idea?! Cut, copy, paste... all of those use-all-the-time context menus are all now hidden behind an extra mouse click. Utter stupidity!

Cut, copy and paste are still there when you right click, but as icons at the top instead of text. It did annoy me when looking for ‘rename’ though.

[Folderol]

FWIW this sort of messing with the interface is not restricted to Microsoft - indeed it's not just computers - cars are even worse!

[Drew Stephenson]

Now I will come to the Win 11 feature that has me concerned for the sanity of the Microsoft development team... Who decided on the right-click 'Show more options'! How did *anyone* think this was good idea?! Cut, copy, paste... all of those use-all-the-time context menus are all now hidden behind an extra mouse click. Utter stupidity!

Ugh. I use right-click functions all the time (not those three notably, it's keyboard shortcuts for that) but that sounds seriously frustrating and completely stupid. The right click action pretty much means 'Show more options'! That's what it's for!
Again Microsoft have a bit of form for this though. I have a couple of microsoft keyboards here. The one I'm typing on has a nice 'right-click' button. The one on the desk behind me has the 'right-click' option behind a function key. The function key enables just two options. That's it. One of those options is covered by shift on this keyboard. It's a completely ridiculous design decision.
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[OneWorld]

I've installed Win 11 on the studio PC tonight.

No serious problems to report, but I thought it might be worth documenting the few wrinkles I had to sort out in case it may help others.

The Korg drivers were screwed up, as usual. Korg drivers still have to be in the first 10 Windows driver slots. Sigh... Good grief, Korg! What year is this? Seriously?!?! I did the usual fiddling around to bodge a solution on Korg's behalf...

...which resulted in my audio interface not being found on next start-up of Cubase, so I had the job of re-building all my I/O settings. Tiresome, but it worked.

My eLicenser needed updating. No problem there.

My pair of MOTU MIDI Express 128 interfaces yet again decided to swap themselves around... and then swapped back on next re-start. They haven't done this for a few years. I long ago learned to keep two versions of my Cubase MIDI Devices file - one 'normal' and one 'reversed'.

Now I will come to the Win 11 feature that has me concerned for the sanity of the Microsoft development team... Who decided on the right-click 'Show more options'! How did *anyone* think this was good idea?! Cut, copy, paste... all of those use-all-the-time context menus are all now hidden behind an extra mouse click. Utter stupidity!

Happily I know of a registry hack (And Win Aero Tweaker) to solve this. Would that the Microsoft analyst who dreamed this one one up could be fixed so easily...

And that's about it. An hour or so of mopping up, but all is well. That's the last of my PCs brought bang up to date and it's been relatively painless.

You lead where others fear to tread!

I too have had that Korg Drivers issue, goodness knows why they don't sort it out. Admittedly, once fixed, it's fixed but I can never remember how I fix such issues, where you visit the problem once. I used to write the solutions down in a little notebook, or create a notepad file, but lose them too

And yes, the Right Click has always been my default choice for contextual commands, it's so useful, till someone was given the job of improving the 'Customer Journey' (to madness) and deciding to redesign the wheel and make it egg-shaped. I guess a hack will soon appear on the Web to put it back to how we liked it.

[Luke W]

Good to hear it's not caused any major issues. I'm inclined to stick with 10 for a while still, I've only just got a PC again after a number of years away from Windows and I've just about got it all working how I'd like!

I did have a mild panic the other day when I powered down and it had an update it wanted to install (I thought I'd stopped it from being able to look for any, so my own fault). I connect to the machine via remote desktop with no peripherals connected so rely on everything staying as I left it, and when I tried to fire it up and connect to it I just got an error message saying it wasn't there... But I got a keyboard, mouse and screen plugged in and all was sorted fairly quickly.

Not sure I'm brave enough for an OS update yet, but I'm sure the time will come.

[FrankF]

Cut, copy and paste are still there when you right click, but as icons at the top instead of text. It did annoy me when looking for ‘rename’ though.

F2 for Rename - been using it for yonks.

And as for cut, paste, etc., why use the dreaded mouse when you have CTL X, C, V, Y, Z etc.?
Not forgetting CTL A when selecting hundreds of photos / waves to copy from SD card to PC.

[OneWorld]

Right clicks matter

[OneWorld]

Cut, copy and paste are still there when you right click, but as icons at the top instead of text. It did annoy me when looking for ‘rename’ though.

F2 for Rename - been using it for yonks.

And as for cut, paste, etc., why use the dreaded mouse when you have CTL X, C, V, Y, Z etc.?
Not forgetting CTL A when selecting hundreds of photos / waves to copy from SD card to PC.

If you already have your hand on the mouse then a right click is preferable to taking your hand from the mouse, moving it to the keyboard, pressing the keys, then going back to the mouse. If you already have both hands on the keyboard, then you use the keyboard shorts goods - it's good to have the choices

[The Elf]

Cut, copy and paste are still there when you right click, but as icons at the top instead of text. It did annoy me when looking for ‘rename’ though.

F2 for Rename - been using it for yonks.

And as for cut, paste, etc., why use the dreaded mouse when you have CTL X, C, V, Y, Z etc.?
Not forgetting CTL A when selecting hundreds of photos / waves to copy from SD card to PC.

How about Open with, 7Zip, Copy DropBox Link, MP3 Tag, Bulk Rename here?... The right-click is not all about Windows commands with easy key combos!

[FrankF]

I wasn't talking to you, Little Elf, I was offering helpful suggestions to others, and anyway, you say you've found a hack, so stop moaning!

More generally, using keyboard shortcuts where possible is better for our tendons than staying glued to the mouse, so in response to another poster, it IS actually beneficial to your hand-health if you chop and change between mouse and keyboard: it's like the difference between holding down a single bar chord for 60 seconds and moving around the fretboard playing scales with all your fingers.

Mind you, if you're playing a bit of Bo Diddley...

[The Elf]

More generally, using keyboard shortcuts where possible is better for our tendons than staying glued to the mouse.

Sure is, but IME 90% of people don't even know copy/paste, let alone any of the others!

My right hand *is* glued to my mouse, but my left hand is tendon-set at 'Ctrl-S'!

I once attended a course on interface design and they deliberately made us use a Windows PC for three days with no mouse. It really did hone my keyboard shortcut skills and I would honestly recommend everyone gives it a try!

[N i g e l]

More generally, using keyboard shortcuts where possible is better for our tendons than staying glued to the mouse.

Sure is, but IME 90% of people don't even know copy/paste, let alone any of the others!

I like ctrl-alt-V, which is "special paste". On some things it brings up a box which lets you select which aspects of the object in the clip board you want to copy.

but yeah, keyboard short cuts greatly enhance productivity.
I printed out the "cheat sheet" from my DAW and soon learned the important ones through repeated use.

I just had the W11 invite on my laptop tonight so I might give that a go over the holidays.

I will be connecting the Korg 1st, I wish they would sort that out that 1st page driver issue.

[The Elf]

I will be connecting the Korg 1st, I wish they would sort that out that 1st page driver issue.

I'm completely with you. It's a well known issue and has been going on for many years. I've never even seen Korg acknowledge it as a problem of their driver. They still quote Windows as the limitation, which hasn't been the case for a very long time.

I'm heartily sick of having to bodge the workaround to dig my Korg synths out of this hole. I have *no* other synths with this problem. Why should Korg devices have to take the first ten slots, when no other devices impose this requirement?

Either Korg don't want, or are unable, to fix it. Either way it doesn't reflect well on them.

[N i g e l]

Exactly.
I looked for the uTube fix it video and theres one from Summer 2019

KORG if you are reading this then Im personally embarrassed on your behalf

If even the small boutique companies can get it right, why cant KORG ?

[Drew Stephenson]

Windows 11 update. I'm going in!

[Mixedup]

Windows 11 update. I'm going in!

Good luck. Do let us know if you think it's time to get the barge pole out of storage

[Drew Stephenson]

So far so good. It's wiped off Internet Explorer (which I still used for a specific account) but aside from that and needing to turn my M-audio keystation off and on again, everything so far has been fine.
There are a couple of new icons in the task bar that I can't unpin, which is vexing, but otherwise it's all ok at the moment.

[Folderol]

Do be careful
You never know when Murphy might be listening.

[OneWorld]

I will be connecting the Korg 1st, I wish they would sort that out that 1st page driver issue.

I'm completely with you. It's a well known issue and has been going on for many years. I've never even seen Korg acknowledge it as a problem of their driver. They still quote Windows as the limitation, which hasn't been the case for a very long time.

I'm heartily sick of having to bodge the workaround to dig my Korg synths out of this hole. I have *no* other synths with this problem. Why should Korg devices have to take the first ten slots, when no other devices impose this requirement?

Either Korg don't want, or are unable, to fix it. Either way it doesn't reflect well on them.

I have confronted the KORG first 10 issue and yes there is a registry hack that fixes but it is a load of faffing, and amongst that faffing you have to unplug all other audio/midi usb devices. Which means some don't work if they are plugged into to a different slot, you have to uninstall/reinstall after the KORG Drivers are settled down in the first 10.

So, I went t'Korg website for updated drivers and lo and behold, the latest driver (DrvTools_115_r45e) fixed the first 10 bug, and sure enough, I installed it and it worked.

However, that was with Win10

ON the subject of Win11, I am just back from the front, installing it on the computer of a friend of mine who looks at a computer as if it is the re-incarnation of Beelzebub, he has to have everything just so, otherwise he goes into a rant, but he needs his PC for work. Oh how I long for the days of having a Win7 disk, slot it in the PC, within an hour or so you're having a cuppa while it updates, seamlessly. Now, only minutes after I am home and the kettle has boiled a cheery whistle, I am getting texts "Where the feck has this gone, where the hell has that gone" I only do these things as a favour, but often times wonder why

[The Elf]

So, I went t'Korg website for updated drivers and lo and behold, the latest driver (DrvTools_115_r45e) fixed the first 10 bug, and sure enough, I installed it and it worked.

I am using exactly the same driver version, and it certainly didn't make any difference for me. Maybe you hit a coincidence where the devices just happened to drop into the first ten slots when the new driver fired up?

...installing it on the computer of a friend of mine... ...only minutes after I am home... ...getting texts "Where the feck has this gone, where the hell has that gone" I only do these things as a favour, but often times wonder why

That's so familiar it aches...

[OneWorld]

So, I went t'Korg website for updated drivers and lo and behold, the latest driver (DrvTools_115_r45e) fixed the first 10 bug, and sure enough, I installed it and it worked.

I am using exactly the same driver version, and it certainly didn't make any difference for me. Maybe you hit a coincidence where the devices just happened to drop into the first ten slots when the new driver fired up?

...installing it on the computer of a friend of mine... ...only minutes after I am home... ...getting texts "Where the feck has this gone, where the hell has that gone" I only do these things as a favour, but often times wonder why

That's so familiar it aches...

It is a matter of 'holding his hand' my friend's hand', so to speak, until he accepts change, and then embraces it.

Especially in a working situation, a person doesn't want to become a Window Expert, but wants to get things done. My friend is a small scale property developer and is as happy as a pig in muck when he's strutting around the building site shouting "What's with that mix of mortar, it's more like gravy, hasn't that load of brick arrived yet, where's that effin roofer, him with a slate loose"

So sitting him down at a computer and trying to get him to understand even simple things like like file associations (although I try explain things in terms of something tactile eg 'You associate a trowel with cement' - 'Cement is applied with a trowel and a trowel applies the cement - same as a document is created with Word and Word creates a document' but I can't get through to him, we end up going for a pint and I say 'You lift your jug of ale to your lips with your arm and your arm lifts your jug of ale to your lips'

At least I get a free pint out of it.

With the Korg issue. On a Korg forum it did make the point that the latest driver was written to address the 10 items list. In my case, I ran the Korg Uninstaller, which as you'll know, enumerates the MIDI devices and the Korg would have gone on as number 11. However, it might be that yes, I have had 10 devices listed, but are now disconnected and so legacy devices, still listed but not physically connected, maybe that's why it allowed me to add the Korg device in slot number 11?

[N i g e l]

This is an interesting turnip for the books.
I shall update my driver at the weekend in a scientific manner and see what happens.
The [his] story so far of the older driver..

[1] plug 'n' play - failed : Korg on page 2 or maybe even 3 of USB list. The driver was somewhere but couldnt be seen by Cakewalk.

[2] uninstalled every accessory that was USB and then installed the Korg before reinstalling everything else. Korg wasn't No1 but it was on page 1 of the list and could be seen by Cakewalk.

I havent made the jump to W11 yet, so this will still be on W10.