DGL. wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 11:40 pm
Andertons now have a video on the UB-Xa, 16 Voice, Poly-AT, with split and stack modes. Damn!
Behringer really have gone above and beyond what was required of them from an Xa clone.
According to a reply from Andertons in the vid Behringer are targeting sub $1,500.
My god, what a horrible demonstration, the whole thing was cringe making.
I think I’ve probably got a few free things that are capable of those sounds, not that I’d want them.
Eddy Deegan wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 12:12 am
It could be the production of the video itself or perhaps the fact it's a pre-production unit being demo'd but listening on headphones I thought it sounded thin and lifeless, far from the sound of an OB-X8 on other videos and significantly weedier than a real OB-Xa.
Compare the sound of the first few seconds of the Andertons video to the first few seconds of this video of a real OB-Xa for example.
But as I said, maybe that was the video. I'm not in the market for one anyway but if it really does sound that bad then I'd pass even if I was!
You and everyone commenting on the video. As is frequently pointed out in the comments, older pre-production demos sounded way better, so unless Behringer made a load of bad decisions there must be something wrong with the recording.
I was struck by how bland and same-y everything sounded, no body at all. Difficult to square the reviewers statements.
t-sun wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 8:03 am
I was struck by how bland and same-y everything sounded, no body at all. Difficult to square the reviewers statements.
Thanks for straightening me out, you said basically what I wanted to say.
Is it OK if ask just one question?
Something posted on GS via the Audio Fanzine forum which should give is the guarantee that the Xa will sound alright,
Pulsophonic wrote:I'm going to submit to the team working on the ubxa a demo of my own made with the Ubxa, of which I'm one of the Beta testers.
Because the guy in the demo obviously has phase problems when recording. I have the Ubxa next to the obxa, I can assure you that the sound has been worked very well.
And the Obxa character is very present with settings taking the average of the "smatch" of the 20 vintage Obxa which were used for comparison and settings.
For information, we were asked to calibrate our Obxas according to the procedure in the service manual. After that, we were able to really start checking what was working and what was not. By ear as well as by oscilloscope and spectrogram. Nothing was left to chance.
Finally, know that of the 20 vintage Ob-Xa, none sounded the same anyway. We have taken parameter readings and future Ubxa will be set to the average of the vintage readings.
I hope to be able to release the demo this week. I specify that in addition, there is no blah-blah in my videos, I do not show my face because we don't care about my face, and I do not wear a cap to look cool either. lol
But the grain and the musicality of the obxa are still there when I compare the vintage side. Nothing to do with the demo of the guy above. In addition, the guy releases wouaaaaa, Oh yeahhhh, wonderfullllll on each knob he turns or about the keyboard... It looks like he's discovering life, don't overdo it either, personally, I don't find the keyboard famous but you have to bring it back to the price it will cost, you can't have everything at the price at which they will offer it (don't even ask me in pm, I won't say).
PS my YT channel is "pulsophonic" of course, subscribe, because there will soon be some nice surprises.
>>> The 2 demos made last year by a beta tester showed that the sound was already there.
I can assure you that the beta tester who released the videos you are talking about is furious with the video released yesterday... And he's not the only one.
Folderol wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 5:31 pm
Wow!
I think that just scorched my monitor
Heads may already be rolling...
Supposedly the video was not vetoed beforehand and there are some mistakes not only with the way the sound was recorded but also due to the way the Xa was set up according to Jamie on GS who has done beta testing for Behringer, notably for the RD-8 firmware.
All of the propositions by Behringer on this forum lately, have been like me walking into a pub and offering to buy everyone a drink, with an empty wallet.
YashN wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:13 pm
That synth King Uberheim demo sounds good. I might watch the Anderton one for fun.
It does sound good. Very good actually. I'm still not going to buy one for reasons I've written about before and won't regurgitate but in fairness when it comes to the sound it would seem that the Andertons video was all but certainly the problem in this case.
Arpangel wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 9:40 pm
All of the propositions by Behringer on this forum lately, have been like me walking into a pub and offering to buy everyone a drink, with an empty wallet.
Arpangel wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 9:40 pm
All of the propositions by Behringer on this forum lately, have been like me walking into a pub and offering to buy everyone a drink, with an empty wallet.
Eddy Deegan wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:45 pm
I'm still not going to buy one for reasons I've written about before and won't regurgitate but in fairness when it comes to the sound it would seem that the Andertons video was all but certainly the problem in this case.
I'd have no problem buying one myself. My Behringer count is 1 for now (got the RD-8!), but this sure will grow.
Saw the Andertons video last night, and yes, there's definitely a big mess-up somewhere at Andertons. It's quite telling that the people commenting actually jumped to the belief it's the hardware which has a problem ('bad clone!', etc...). It is quite incredible that those people at Andertons didn't even notice anything wrong in their setup and still made the video and published it as is. Even more incredible: these people want to sell you synths!
Eddy Deegan wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:45 pm
I'm still not going to buy one for reasons I've written about before and won't regurgitate but in fairness when it comes to the sound it would seem that the Andertons video was all but certainly the problem in this case.
I'd have no problem buying one myself. My Behringer count is 1 for now (got the RD-8!), but this sure will grow.
Saw the Andertons video last night, and yes, there's definitely a big mess-up somewhere at Andertons. It's quite telling that the people commenting actually jumped to the belief it's the hardware which has a problem ('bad clone!', etc...). It is quite incredible that those people at Andertons didn't even notice anything wrong in their setup and still made the video and published it as is. Even more incredible: these people want to sell you synths!
I'm having trouble, writing a balanced reply, music shops have one purpose, to sell gear, no different to clothes shops, food shops, or any other shop, that’s their primary function, to sell, if they don’t, they go out of business.
Some are more conscientious than others, some feel like they genuinely care about what you need, and have an interest in what they are selling, some are way down that scale.
Would I buy a used car from any of those people at Andertons?
Technical Editor, Sound On Sound...
(But generally posting my own personal views and not necessarily those of SOS, the company or the magazine!)
In my world, things get less strange when I read the manual...
Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread
Hugh Robjohns wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 11:48 am
They don't sell used cars...
It was a cockup, and in an ideal world it should have been spotted and dealt with promptly.
But cockups happen to all of us from time to time. What's that old adage about stones and glasshouses?
On that basis Hugh I shouldn’t really criticise our current government, but somehow ….
Anyway back to the thread, yes the video is a cockup but in the interests of balance I have to say I’ve always found Andertons extremely helpful both online and IRL since I bought my first pair of monitors there about 20 years ago.
