Porn? don’t worry, I’m here, with my bucket of cold water.
Ladder filter? that’s new.
Yet another polysynth that sounds like a typical polysynth, could be anything.
I really must rush out and buy this, it’s going to change my musical world forever.
It’s OK, I hear Mark Almond singing the lines "entertain me I’m as blank as can be"
A 3-oscillator poly. That's got my interest. They are much nicer for the type of sounds I like. Am I now going to discover that it uses an external PSU and costs £4000?
The Elf wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:14 am
A 3-oscillator poly. That's got my interest. They are much nicer for the type of sounds I like. Am I now going to discover that it uses an external PSU and costs £4000?
It does look gorgeous, and I’m sure it does some awesome analog poly sounds, but I’m kind of with Tony here. More well trodden paths, that you could probably emulate very well in virtual land. And a big wedge of lucre.
The Elf wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:31 am
Hoorah! It's on the list...
Mine also
Three oscillator analogue polysynths are a beautiful rarity. This is essentially what the world wanted when the disappointing PolyMoog arrived in the late 70s.
Let me know if you get your hands on a Trigon first, mate. I'd be interested to get your thoughts on it. For me it might be a Synthfest away until I can try one out.
The Elf wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:03 pm
Three oscillator analogue polysynths are a beautiful rarity.
Yep... I really wish the PolyBrute had retained the 3rd oscillator from the MatrixBrute but you can't have everything I guess
The Elf wrote:
Let me know if you get your hands on a Trigon first, mate. I'd be interested to get your thoughts on it. For me it might be a Synthfest away until I can try one out.
Will do
Currently the ETA for my pre-order is the end of January but these days I wouldn't be at all surprised if it takes longer.
Arpangel wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:35 pm
See Moog have just released the Mini, at £5,500, this synth business is fast becoming a rich man’s game.
Historically it always was. The first minimoog in 1970 was just a shade under $2000, or 15.5K in todays money.
An OBXa would have set you back $5000 in 1980, that’s 18K today.
A fully spec’d Synclavier II was over $200K in 1980 that’s over three quarters of a million. You could buy a house in London (well, nearly!)
Fairlights, CS80s, Emulators, they were all well beyond the reach of mere mortals. All more than the cost of a nice car or several in the case of the Fairlight.
MarkOne wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:58 pm
The first minimoog in 1970 was just a shade under $2000, or 15.5K in todays money ...
Absolutely. In 1982 a Roland Jupiter 8 was £3,900. That's just over £13k today.
After the likes of the DX7 came along and everyone was unloading the analogue gear you could pick up a Jupiter 8 and most other analogue synths for peanuts though.
Somewhere way back in the SOS archives there is a chart of recommended 2nd-hand prices for a lot of them. I can't find it now but I wish I could... it's enough to make one weep at the lost opportunities!
The Elf wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:03 pm
Three oscillator analogue polysynths are a beautiful rarity. This is essentially what the world wanted when the disappointing PolyMoog arrived in the late 70s.
Erm: Peak / Summit? Or are you being particular about analogue oscillators?
If I want 3 oscs I will stick with my Peak and Ensoniq SQ80. I can't afford to be particular to the tune of £3399.99. But I appreciate you take a reasoned and specific view about what is an investment in equipment for your business. It's just that not many folk can do that!
The Elf wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:03 pm
Three oscillator analogue polysynths are a beautiful rarity. This is essentially what the world wanted when the disappointing PolyMoog arrived in the late 70s.
Erm: Peak / Summit? Or are you being particular about analogue oscillators?
If I want 3 oscs I will stick with my Peak and Ensoniq SQ80. I can't afford to be particular to the tune of £3399.99. But I appreciate you take a reasoned and specific view about what is an investment in equipment for your business. It's just that not many folk can do that!
Not many people can afford a Ferrari, but that doesn't make them any less beautiful. We all do what we can, and there's nothing wrong with Peak or SQ80s!
I have Peak, Summit and Hydrasynth - and in many respects I have them for their three-osc architecture. But yes, I was referring to 3 *analogue* oscillators - and it does make a difference.
The thing about 3 oscillators is that you can create slightly de-tuned, lush sounds with the third oscillator helping to diguise that too-obvious cyclic beating you get with only two. Add the slight wandering and phasing you get with an analogue oscillator and you have some lovely pads, leads and basses.
I'm persuaded of the case you make, albeit without the funds to try it out for myself.
Really interesting about the 3rd oscillator masking the beating of just two.
I should explore that more with the kit I have. There's enough LFO's around to introduce some very subtle pitch randomisation.
Not quite analogue x3 but a step in that direction.
BillB wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:07 pm
I'm persuaded of the case you make, albeit without the funds to try it out for myself.
Really interesting about the 3rd oscillator masking the beating of just two.
I should explore that more with the kit I have. There's enough LFO's around to introduce some very subtle pitch randomisation.
Not quite analogue x3 but a step in that direction.
Don't forget the Peak's diverge & drift parameters... they're not quite authentic I think, but not bad in a pinch with careful application.
And if you feel like spending money, there's the Korg Prologue with 2 VCOs and one digital oscillator – 2nd hand for Peak-ish prices (or Minilogue XD if you don't mind only 4 voices).
After the likes of the DX7 came along and everyone was unloading the analogue gear you could pick up a Jupiter 8 and most other analogue synths for peanuts though.
The DX7 wasn’t cheap either, without digging out my receipts I seem to remember paying £1,100.
BillB wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:07 pm
I'm persuaded of the case you make, albeit without the funds to try it out for myself.
Really interesting about the 3rd oscillator masking the beating of just two.
I should explore that more with the kit I have. There's enough LFO's around to introduce some very subtle pitch randomisation.
Not quite analogue x3 but a step in that direction.
Don't forget the Peak's diverge & drift parameters... they're not quite authentic I think, but not bad in a pinch with careful application.
And if you feel like spending money, there's the Korg Prologue with 2 VCOs and one digital oscillator – 2nd hand for Peak-ish prices (or Minilogue XD if you don't mind only 4 voices).
Good point, Nathan, no need to deploy LFO's for randomness when there is a dedicated function. Must have a listen to the Peak with 3 simple sawtooths and just turn up those functions to hear what they do.
LFO's would still apply to the rigid pitch samples of the SQ80 though.
Good thoughts for others on alternatives, although not for me. I think my only aspiration (distant future) is to upgrade Peak to Summit. Oh, and I still quite fancy a Streichfett, although I keep trying to figure out what else I have that could cover that ground.
Need to read Synth Secrets: String Machines https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... g-machines - ties back to conversations elsewhere about using what you have got!
The Elf wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:19 pm
That said, Summit is currently my string synth of choice - yep, diverge and drift are great features.
Interesting. Any specific pointers on the patch? 3x sawtooth, octaves, detune, diverge and drift, Phlanger? Or do you phase outside the Summit box? Or not phase at all...