The Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread #3

[Drew Stephenson]

Which is an interesting philosophy but doesn't actually answer Sonics' question about why you don't just stick with the older versions?

[Arpangel]

Which is an interesting philosophy but doesn't actually answer Sonics' question about why you don't just stick with the older versions?

I can't run them on my current computers.

[DGL.]

They're doing another guess the synth on FB, with populated boards that scream Jupiter 8.
They might have trouble releasing stuff but it hasn't stopped their engineers Bing busy!

[The Elf]

Jupiter-8 seems to be the concensus. Interesting, if true.

No need for any of those wearied by these events to respond here...

[DGL.]

A sort of update on the CS-80 clone, firstly it's been renamed the VS-80 in tribute to the late Vangelis and they've asking if we'd like a mod matrix added.

We’d like to have your feedback.
Our engineering team is working feverishly on the VS80 (Inspired by the late Vangelis). As we’re finalizing the desig, we’re considering adding a very cool mod matrix instead of the outdated user interface.

What are your thoughts? Do you prefer the original design or rather a modern and powerful mod matrix?
Thanks for your feedback.

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[Arpangel]

If I bought one of these, I’d be using it very conventionally, for those lovely big chordal textures, strings and brass, I’m not worried about any type of mod matrix, it would be wasted on me, I don’t need it, and I can’t be bothered with it, it’s not what this machine is about for me personally.

[Hugh Robjohns]

In a bit of a Xmas shocker, I find myself agreeing with Tony!

I can't read exactly what options are available on the proposed mod matrix, but I'm not convinced it would really add usefully to what the Synth was intended to be and do. The only point of a VS80 is to sound like a CS80. If you want to be able to make different sounds as well, then that's already well served in the Hydrasynth Deluxe.

The VS80 will only succeed if it sounds – and, crucially, plays – like a CS80. It's probably already compromised to some extent by not having a weighted keyboard, but there are benefits as well as cons to that decision. Its the behaviour of the velocity sensitivity, the afterthouch, the ribbon controller, and the voice card variability that will make or break this hypothetical recreation. I think an expanded mod matrix is of limited interest or value to most likely customers. (

Although I've explored the extra options on Arturia's version, I found no use for them.

And I'm still very happy with my decision to giving up waiting for the DS/VS80 and get a Hydrasynth Deluxe instead. Genuinely impressive machine that matches the performance aspects and much of the sound, but does so much more too.

[The Elf]

In a bit of a Xmas shocker, I find myself agreeing with Tony!

I've alerted the media!

I can't read exactly what options are available on the proposed mod matrix, but I'm not convinced it would really add usefully to what the Synth was intended to be and do.

And I agree with you, too!

As I've said in their FB comments...

Two secrets:
1. Everyone thinks they can improve on a classic design.
2. They rarely can.

I say leave well alone. Those that don't know won't care, and likely make no use of a matrix, and those that do know will cry foul and throw their toys out of the pram.

But I doubt Behringer care much what I think.

Although I've explored the extra options on Arturia's version, I found no use for them.

Again I agree. I see little value in them.

And I'm still very happy with my decision to giving up waiting for the DS/VS80 and get a Hydrasynth Deluxe instead. Genuinely impressive machine that matches the performance aspects and much of the sound, but does so much more too.

Although I'm not a huge fan of the CS-80, having a poly AT keyboard matched up to some of the sounds I've used in emulators is quite inspiring. But then so are many of the Hydrasynth's own sounds.

I can genuinely see Hydrasynth becoming a sought-after 'vintage' of the future.

[DGL.]

Big Behringer synth shipping update, plus new in house synth engines for the brains model, including a DX7 model that can load DX7 patches (only mono though)

First video of the Toro, a Taurus 1 clone just without the pedals, $349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDFyk_jKFLk
Looks to be ready to ship from the factory going by the pictures.

Plus new Mk.2 MS-1 with their BA662's, Solina, Pro 800 and Edge ready to ship from the Factory!

Here's some obligatory photos from their FB showing finished synths in their factory.

[The Elf]

When the Solina was announced, demo-ed and declared 'ready to ship' I had my credit card in hand. Since then I've had that card replaced twice by my card issuers...

BTW, your photos aren't showing.

[Drew Stephenson]

BTW, your photos aren't showing.

Showing for me.

Unlike a shipping date for the BCR32...

[Hugh Robjohns]

Pics showing for me, too.... and appear to be the same bench with sets of 8 different synth modules laid out in turn with some shipping boxes on a pallet. Not really convincing of full production, but I hope product becomes available soon.

[Folderol]

BTW, your photos aren't showing.

Showing for me.

Unlike a shipping date for the BCR32...

It doesn't do to rush these things

[muzines]

They'd probably get them done faster if they employ some actual people to test, pack and ship them...

[BillB]

They'd probably get them done faster if they employ some actual people to test, pack and ship them...

Yeah, those robots are really shy, aren't they? Never in the pictures.

[Wonks]

There is one person you can just see working in the background in a couple of pictures.

Definitely a lot of posing stuff for photos. Those particular benches in the foreground look to be a new, not quite finished installation. There is a extract Y-duct fitting missing the flexible ductwork down to the benches and there is a compute just lying on top of one of the shelves. Probably slowly extending the workstations across the factory floor.

I do find it a bit strange that the under-bench sockets appear to be UK sockets and not Chinese A, C or I sockets.

[DGL.]

I do find it a bit strange that the under-bench sockets appear to be UK sockets and not Chinese A, C or I sockets.

I wouldn't trust chinesium sockets and I bet they don't too, also UK sockets are polarised so probably safer in a test environment.

[The Elf]

Showing for me.

I think we've been here before. I have to copy and paste each image link into a new tab to view it. It's probably one of my security/privacy blockers at work.

[The Elf]

Anyway...

I'll be curious to get a 'Toro' next to my real Taurus. I was never happy with the Taurus 3 (sold it), and the MiniTaur, cute thought it is, doesn't do a good enough impression for me. It doesn't 'purr' like the Mk1 Taurus.

Let us not speak of the abomination that was the Taurus 2...

[N i g e l]

Unlike a shipping date for the BCR32...

It doesn't do to rush these things

Its been well over 2 years since the announcement. PCBs were shown JLY'21, which is also when the BBG Wave went to the beta test phase.

Korg had a drumlogue showing at Synthfest but that didnt turn up in the shops till this year.

The Prologue is unavailable. Quite a short life for a flagship, or, instant classic, depending on your point if view.

These are still strange times it seems.

[Arpangel]

I think this vintage recreation thing is getting a bit boring for a lot of people, and, it’s a finite market.
And, those with deep pockets won’t be interested in this stuff, let’s face it, if you’ve got the money, you’d get an original, and you’d not worry about upkeep.
Look into any famous players studio, you won’t see any Berry’s, but you’ll see a few originals.
Plus, maybe Behringer are aware of a general market slump, as people struggle with the cost of living, these things, even replicas, are a luxury these days, as is any item of equipment we don’t really need.

[DGL.]

I think this vintage recreation thing is getting a bit boring for a lot of people, and, it’s a finite market.
And, those with deep pockets won’t be interested in this stuff, let’s face it, if you’ve got the money, you’d get an original, and you’d not worry about upkeep.
Look into any famous players studio, you won’t see any Berry’s, but you’ll see a few originals.
Plus, maybe Behringer are aware of a general market slump, as people struggle with the cost of living, these things, even replicas, are a luxury these days, as is any item of equipment we don’t really need.

Umm. Vangelis had a Deepmind, Moby has a VC340, Mark Cerrone has a Behringer Odyssey and I suppose many more have Behringer synths, most people couldn't care less what brand is on something and see the value and quality of the Behringer reissues, same as the success of the X32 which is used by many people you'd never think of.

[Hugh Robjohns]

I think this vintage recreation thing is getting a bit boring for a lot of people, and, it’s a finite market.

I think you're projecting your own viewpoint and assuming everyone thinks the same way. They don't! And the market is not as finite as you think.

And, those with deep pockets won’t be interested in this stuff, let’s face it, if you’ve got the money, you’d get an original, and you’d not worry about upkeep.

In some cases, yes, but again the Behringer products are surprisingly popular even with those with deep pockets, as their marketing demonstrates. And it makes sense: all the right noises, with modern workforce conveniences, in neat format packages, for bargain prices.

...as people struggle with the cost of living, these things, even replicas, are a luxury these days...

30 plus years of SOS reader surveys have shown the reverse. In times of economic downturn music equipment sales typically increase. People like to cheer themselves up and turn to music to distract from their daily woes. Berry products are very attractive in that context.

[jaypodesta]

UB-Xa video recently appeared

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8nsYKADtKe ... IECMiOmarE

[Drew Stephenson]

Unlike a shipping date for the BCR32...

It doesn't do to rush these things

Its been well over 2 years since the announcement. PCBs were shown JLY'21, which is also when the BBG Wave went to the beta test phase.

I might actually have found an alternative, I'm hoping to take delivery of a box in a week or so that I'll be working with the developer on to see if we can expand its current reach.