The billionaires’ club

[Drew Stephenson]

Things have changed since last I looked, Tidal have up their payments considerably and now top Apple.
https://producerhive.com/music-marketin ... breakdown/

Take the Youtube figure there with a pinch of salt through because that's for YouTube Music rather than the general platform. It's still an order of magnitude lower than the others on the general youtube site.

[EDIT - obviously spotify don't actually pay on a per play basis but the approximation has been pretty consistent over the last few years so it's accurate enough.]

[sonics]

I believe I read that Tidal will pay out more from your payment to them if you subscribe at the upper tier. That's one of the reasons I chose to use Tidal. Lossless audio was the other. I'm not paying money for lossy audio; I can get that on YouTube.

[OneWorld]

As to why people use Spotify rather than Youtube, well I do it precisely so that at least some money goes back to the artist. Youtube are at least an order or magnitude worse payers than the music-streaming sites (for obvious reasons).

Nobody ever paid me (except for playing live) so I thought I'll roll with the punch, so if I can do do it, release music for free, then so can Taylor Swift et al

[Watchmaker]

I never understood why people expect to get paid for playing music. Unless of course you're an actual genius or prodigy, the rest of us simply aren't worth much money.

I used to chase money but realized it's a lot like collecting dog poo. All you have to do is decide how dirt you want to get when picking it up - to the extent that one has sufficient poo to meet the arbitrary social needs that's really all that's required, the collecting of it and obsessing about it is unhealthy, mentally and physically.

[BigRedX]

I never understood why people expect to get paid for playing music. Unless of course you're an actual genius or prodigy, the rest of us simply aren't worth much money.

I used to chase money but realized it's a lot like collecting dog poo. All you have to do is decide how dirt you want to get when picking it up - to the extent that one has sufficient poo to meet the arbitrary social needs that's really all that's required, the collecting of it and obsessing about it is unhealthy, mentally and physically.

For gig money if you don't ask to be be paid, then you are unlikely to get anything, but if you do ask the worst that can happen is that the venue or promotor says no and then you can decide if the gig is worth doing for other reasons.

Regarding performance royalties for live performances, I think it very much depends on where you are in the world. Here in the UK if you are member of the PRS it is so simple that I can't understand why everyone doesn't do it, but then again looking at my PRS royalty statements it is obvious that many songwriters don't and that includes people a lot better known than me.

[tea for two]

I feel conceptually we should see every single one of our sincere creative output as priceless as we know what we put into it.
What others would value it as doesn't matter even if it 1/100th of a cent, pence.

I also feel some people (generally those with money to burn) tend to value what we do according to the value we place on it.

So if I was to release just 1 album commercially (not on any site) I would value it at £1Million lol.
With a single pressing of it on a USB stick lol. No person would get to hear it except the buyer after they buy.
And say to some unknown millionaire, billionaire,
I don't give two hoots, you are getting a bargain at £1million lol.

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I know this is impractical to earn a living from gigging and streaming sites.

[OneWorld]

I feel conceptually we should see every single one of our sincere creative output as priceless as we know what we put into it.
What others would value it as doesn't matter even if it 1/100th of a cent, pence.

I also feel some people (generally those with money to burn) tend to value what we do according to the value we place on it.

So if I was to release just 1 album commercially (not on any site) I would value it at £1Million lol.
With a single pressing of it on a USB stick lol. No person would get to hear it except the buyer after they buy.
And say to some unknown millionaire, billionaire,
I don't give two hoots, you are getting a bargain at £1million lol.

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I know this is impractical to earn a living from gigging and streaming sites.

Thing is I don't conceptualise, I sort of get along acting on reflex. I get up in the morning, I'll breakfast for an hour, then washup, then comb my hair and rattle my knackers, to make sure everything's all ship shape and Bristol fashion. I always have a plan for the day and that is don't have a plan, something will come along to feck it up anyway so might as well just enjoy every moment while that moment is there.