Delta 1010 windows 10

[steveluck]

Does anyone have any success stories (or otherwise) about compatibility for the m-audio delta 1010 after installing windows 10?
The official advice is that it is not supported however i have only seen a couple of posts on other forums - one who says it works fine and the other who said it seems to cause a big spike in processor load
any advice gratefully receieved.
steve

[ef37a]

I shall keep an eye on this !
I have 3 2496 cards, two in one PC and one in another. I assume the drivers are similar to those for the 1010?

I am running Win 7 everywhere at the moment and am TOTALLY bandjaxed by the conflicting tales of goodness and horror!

Dave.

[Martin Walker]

I shall keep an eye on this !
I have 3 2496 cards, two in one PC and one in another. I assume the drivers are similar to those for the 1010?

I am running Win 7 everywhere at the moment and am TOTALLY bandjaxed by the conflicting tales of goodness and horror!

Dave.

Hi Dave,

This is unfortunately the way things go compatibility-wise after a change of operating system - some hardware/software carries on regardless, while others fall over. It may also depend on what combination of motherboard/audio interface you have, which could explain those conflicting tales

Manufacturers experiencing any problems at all are likely to quote incompatibility to cover themselves, even if a sizeable proportion of users sail through

Martin

[Pete Kaine]

They are going to say not supported,as M-audio as a brand has changed hands a couple of times since the Delta series was killed off. With that in mind I suspect it's not really worth the current owners R&D time/costs backwards engineering the drivers in order to support a product that was offically dead before they acquired the brand.

The are stories kicking about regarding using older W7 drivers to get them up and running, but I seem to recall those were a mixed bag even on W7 let alone shoehorning them into a W10 build.

This might be one you have to try yourself I'm afraid.

[ef37a]

They are going to say not supported,as M-audio as a brand has changed hands a couple of times since the Delta series was killed off. With that in mind I suspect it's not really worth the current owners R&D time/costs backwards engineering the drivers in order to support a product that was offically dead before they acquired the brand.

The are stories kicking about regarding using older W7 drivers to get them up and running, but I seem to recall those were a mixed bag even on W7 let alone shoehorning them into a W10 build.

This might be one you have to try yourself I'm afraid.

Thanks Pete. I have more or less decided to sacrifice one of my desktops to the cause!

I too have read of troubles with Deltas and W7 and certain MOBOs (something to do with how PCI is "cobbled" to work with PCIe?) Mind you, I had WIn Med cen ed and M-Audio did not support that (which was paradoxical since it was for MEEJA!) The computer took not a blind bit tho' and worked fine with both a 2496 and a Fast track pro.

Will do the dirty deed this weekend if nothing intrudes.

Dave.

[bassman999]

I have a Delta 1010LT which runs happily in Win 10 using its Win 7 (64 bit) driver

[BassSpy]

Sorry, way late to this forum, and I generally don't participate in forums in general..

However, I have to say that I've had zero problems when running my old Delta 1010 (breakout box version) on Windows 10. Works great, but you don't get the M-Audio control panel in the task bar.

Here are some tips to get the old beast working on Windows 10.. and I'll include a few other tips after.

Download the Delta 6.0.8 drivers (I believe they are Windows 7 drivers.. It's been a while).

http://www.m-audio.com/support/download ... elta-6.0.8

In Windows 10, extract the files to a location of your choosing.

Right click on Delta_6_0_8.exe file.
Select Properties
Click the check box in Compatibility Mode for "Run this program in compatibility mode for and select "Windows 7" from the drop down. Click Apply, then Ok.

Next, Right click on the Delta_6_0_8.exe file and select "Run as Administrator".

Follow the instructions. You may need to have a reboot to get the device up and running.

If this forum allowed pics, I'd show a few to ease the process along.

Please note that I haven't performed this operation since Windows 10 came out, so I may be mistaken. If this doesn't work, try running in Compatibility for Windows 8 (eeew, I know).

I'm a fan of this audio setup. I did my first awesome professional sounding recordings on it, so I hope those of you who still have the old machines with PCI can make use of this info.

Good luck. I might check in to see if anyone managed to make use of it. BTW, the midi works fine as well.

It's also recognized in both Reaper and SoundForge Pro 11, with full ASIO support.

Enjoy!

BassSpy

[lmell]

Sorry, way late to this forum, and I generally don't participate in forums in general..

However, I have to say that I've had zero problems when running my old Delta 1010 (breakout box version) on Windows 10. Works great, but you don't get the M-Audio control panel in the task bar.

Here are some tips to get the old beast working on Windows 10.. and I'll include a few other tips after.

Download the Delta 6.0.8 drivers (I believe they are Windows 7 drivers.. It's been a while).

http://www.m-audio.com/support/download ... elta-6.0.8

In Windows 10, extract the files to a location of your choosing.

Right click on Delta_6_0_8.exe file.
Select Properties
Click the check box in Compatibility Mode for "Run this program in compatibility mode for and select "Windows 7" from the drop down. Click Apply, then Ok.

Next, Right click on the Delta_6_0_8.exe file and select "Run as Administrator".

Follow the instructions. You may need to have a reboot to get the device up and running.

If this forum allowed pics, I'd show a few to ease the process along.

Please note that I haven't performed this operation since Windows 10 came out, so I may be mistaken. If this doesn't work, try running in Compatibility for Windows 8 (eeew, I know).

I'm a fan of this audio setup. I did my first awesome professional sounding recordings on it, so I hope those of you who still have the old machines with PCI can make use of this info.

Good luck. I might check in to see if anyone managed to make use of it. BTW, the midi works fine as well.

It's also recognized in both Reaper and SoundForge Pro 11, with full ASIO support.

Enjoy!

BassSpy

BassSpy: Thank you very very much! I have followed your instructions and it has been perfect! I was about to throw away my old AMD, surprisingly Windows 10 runs faster than W7, and now with my trusty Audiophile 2496, I am very pleased.

Running on

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ 2.70 GHz
4,00 GB (3,75 GB usable)
W10 64 bits Home
ASUS M3A78-EM, Chipset AMD 780G

[ibrich]

Does anyone have any success stories (or otherwise) about compatibility for the m-audio delta 1010 after installing windows 10?
The official advice is that it is not supported however i have only seen a couple of posts on other forums - one who says it works fine and the other who said it seems to cause a big spike in processor load
any advice gratefully receieved.
steve

I am running windows 10, protools 8.0.5 and delta 1010. so for no issues

[MaestroMikeT]

Delta 1010 with Windows 10 Pro here, running Nuendo 11, running great! Intel 8700k oc’d to all-core 4.7 Ghz, AsRock Z370 Pro4 Mobo with legacy PCI slot - though I suspect not native anymore.

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[Moroccomoose]

I am running a pair of Delta 1010 in my setup. Working perfectly. Windows 10, using the 6.08 driver.
They are my backup system in case my profire2626 dies (also working perfectly)
TBF the only reason the 1010s are not in use is because they don't have any hi z ins or mic pres. The latency is less than 3ms

Stu.

[ef37a]

I am running a pair of Delta 1010 in my setup. Working perfectly. Windows 10, using the 6.08 driver.
They are my backup system in case my profire2626 dies (also working perfectly)
TBF the only reason the 1010s are not in use is because they don't have any hi z ins or mic pres. The latency is less than 3ms

Stu.

You could fix the input and mic pre problem Stu with one of the small Soundcraft mixers. High Z inputs and very decent pre amps.
Many moons ago we ran a Behryy Xenyx 802 into a 2496. That got us a couple of mics in but there were no mixers then with guitar friendly inputs so a Boss EQ pedal filled that duty.

That 802 was since moved to a bedroom where it amp'ed up two mics in the garden. Has been doing so since about 2013 and has never been switched off since!

Dave.

[MaestroMikeT]

When I bought the Delta, many many moons ago , there weren’t many interfaces with built-in pres. So, at the time, I also got a FMR RNP which I really like, two channels, doubling as pretty good di too. Eventually expanded to more stuff, so I get preamps and synths always connected. On the other hand, multioutputs feed the main mix out - to a Drawmer CMC 2.1 - and three cue mixes, straight out of Nuendo, into a headphone pre.
What is amazing about this admittedly old interface is that, even in its original PC build - a Core2Quad 9300!!!! - specially after upgrading all HDDs to SSDs, I never never needed to use Zero Latency monitoring, or monitor mixer, or anything - the low latency always allowed monitoring through Cubase (then my Daw of choice).
In my last build I wasn’t expecting the Delta to keep working anymore, so I was about to pull the trigger on a RME Aio Pro. But one thing I never got to fully understand: being that RME drivers are undoubtedly better than M-Audio’s, and so very low latencies are the norm, what is really needed about TotalMix? Isn’t it miles better to just deal with a workspace (the DAW mixer)? I even use some plugins (mainly reverb and/or delay with certain singers or guitarists, who prefer to track a little “wet”, and never got any issues with latency or cpu strain. So I really don’t get the usefulness of these interface monitor mixes…

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[Moroccomoose]

I am running a pair of Delta 1010 in my setup. Working perfectly. Windows 10, using the 6.08 driver.
They are my backup system in case my profire2626 dies (also working perfectly)
TBF the only reason the 1010s are not in use is because they don't have any hi z ins or mic pres. The latency is less than 3ms

Stu.

You could fix the input and mic pre problem Stu with one of the small Soundcraft mixers. High Z inputs and very decent pre amps.
Many moons ago we ran a Behryy Xenyx 802 into a 2496. That got us a couple of mics in but there were no mixers then with guitar friendly inputs so a Boss EQ pedal filled that duty.

That 802 was since moved to a bedroom where it amp'ed up two mics in the garden. Has been doing so since about 2013 and has never been switched off since!

Dave.

Indeed. In fact, when it was in service, I used the Yamaha MW10C, which gave me 5 mono inputs, with careful use of the inserts and aux, into the delta. It also doubled up as my monitor controller. That was before I was educated in the ways of audio interfaces! I dove in feet first and bought a mixer I didn't need. The 1010s followed, now both abandonned for to profire!

[ef37a]

I am running a pair of Delta 1010 in my setup. Working perfectly. Windows 10, using the 6.08 driver.
They are my backup system in case my profire2626 dies (also working perfectly)
TBF the only reason the 1010s are not in use is because they don't have any hi z ins or mic pres. The latency is less than 3ms

Stu.

You could fix the input and mic pre problem Stu with one of the small Soundcraft mixers. High Z inputs and very decent pre amps.
Many moons ago we ran a Behryy Xenyx 802 into a 2496. That got us a couple of mics in but there were no mixers then with guitar friendly inputs so a Boss EQ pedal filled that duty.

That 802 was since moved to a bedroom where it amp'ed up two mics in the garden. Has been doing so since about 2013 and has never been switched off since!

Dave.

Indeed. In fact, when it was in service, I used the Yamaha MW10C, which gave me 5 mono inputs, with careful use of the inserts and aux, into the delta. It also doubled up as my monitor controller. That was before I was educated in the ways of audio interfaces! I dove in feet first and bought a mixer I didn't need. The 1010s followed, now both abandonned for to profire!

Well, IMHO 'experience is never wasted' you learned how signals get into and out of a computer. Many starting home recording now have little clue and this causes them some difficulties.

In any case it has only been in the last five years or so that USB interfaces have even equalled the low latency performance of the Delta cards. I don't know what the 'Top Blokes' here think of the quality of the 2496's converters but it always sounded good to me! It is my considered opinion that if M-Audio had not abandoned the cards and brought out improved PCIe versions, many folks would still be using them today! Did not do RME any harm? (bloody Avid)

Dave.

[ddochter]

I use the Delta 1010 on Windows 10 Pro Release 19045. Works great !

The only real issue I have is that I often have to boot twice after I first power my "frame" on for a day.

I am currently on a ASUS P5P43TD Pro motherboard and Intel BX80569Q9550 processor. Thinking of upgrading as this is a 2009 vintage mb.

Has anyone else encountered this issue?

Thanks
Doc

[resistorman]

If you upgrade it may not work anymore...

[Wonks]

The boot-up issue may be down to the speed and order the drivers are loaded in. There are utilities to arrange and control this and allow time delays between loadings to ensure all required drivers are loaded before starting the card software.

A new motherboard with PCI slots can be had, but at a quick look, all seem to be from industrial computer suppliers and most are for AMD processors. But whether AMD or Intel, the processors supported are of a similar generation to your current one. As a result I doubt any will support Win 11. If Win 10 support is withdrawn in 2025 (though with so many companies having problems with Win11 for things like Teams and switching back to Win10 I doubt it unless it gets fixed soon), then you’d have to be prepared to soldier on with an unsupported OS.

You can get PCI to PCIe converter boards, but all the ones I’ve seen are for using with half-height PCI cards. With a full-height PCI card, you’d have to find your own way of mounting the card sideways in the case. There’s still no guarantee that the system will boot properly.

The converters in the 1010 are outclassed by even the cheapest of new audio interfaces, so if you can’t find a way to get your current PC to boot reliably it probably is about time to get a new interface IMO.

I had a Delta 66 with the Omni I/O and that sounded fine at the time, but a change to a faster PC with no PCI slots meant a new soundcard. The MOTO Traveller I changed to (and still use) was a definite step up in sound quality - and that's a very old unit now!

[ef37a]

When I had a 2496 I had some start up issues (but I knew even less about computers than the little I do now!) and I solved it by putting the driver on the desktop, 'tis only a few Mbs, and once the PC had booted, ran the driver. It took less than a minute to do and always fixed the problem. Sometimes going into Device Manager and running "Check for Hardware Changes" worked as well. IIRC it was a feature of M-A drivers that they cleared out any previous ones and gave you a fresh start.

But, I am sure Wonks is right, time for an upgrade. The downside is of course that the 1010 is a multi-channel interface and so a new USB unit equivalent won't be cheap. I am very happy with my MOTU M4 and there is now an M6 version. If that gives you enough I/O I am sure you would find it an excellent choice. Or! Seriously hit the plastic and go RME or/and ADAT?

Dave.

[Moroccomoose]

I had a pair of delta 1010s in my pc. They worked perfectly on win 10 with 3ms latency.

They were getting quite scratchy but I serviced the breakout box by treating all the line level switches to some deoxit. Ran nicely after that.

It was always supposed to be my backup system, so I confess they never got pushed hard in win 10. But on the odd occasions that I did fire them up they were fine. You'd be hard pushed to find a modern MOBO with PCI slots though.

I'd have probably kept them as my main AI but they ran so hot! And with no mic pre or instrument input. They were a bit limiting.

My main AI is a Profire 2626 with a pair of alesis AI3 ADAT I/O, (all now aged, but not quite so aged as the 1010!) and it has the connection options to make it much more useful in a home studio.

I'm looking at a new PC after a cup of tea mishap , so will probably fully retire the 1010s now.

Stu.

[sonics]

I used Delta 1010s for a few years before moving to ProFire 2626s.
I was happy with the Deltas myself for a while, considering their low cost. Low latency and reliable. I don't recall going further than Windows 8 with them though.

They were all retired some years ago for RME.

I still have that gear but should really sell it for whatever I can get for it since I doubt It'll be used again. It's good to know it works with Windows 10 given the right circumstances.

[Wonks]

You can still get external PCI card frames that come with with a PCIe to PCI converter; those would take full-size Delta 1010 PCI cards. (an amazing amount of old industrial process control systems are kept going using modern PCs interfacing to ancient PCI cards). However, at around £450 each, you'd be far better spending your money on a very decent modern audio interface.

[sonics]

You can still get external PCI card frames that come with with a PCIe to PCI converter; those would take full-size Delta 1010 PCI cards.

Yes, too expensive by far, and I won't be using the Deltas again anyway; they just don't sound that good.

I do actually have run a PCI RME Card with a PCIe converter in one machine. It has a wide case...and the RME sounds excellent!

[MaestroMikeT]

Just to let you know the last system I choose to run a Delta is with a i7 8700k, AsRock z370 mobo with a pci slot, and the thing runs smoothly as a kitten. When time comes to upgrade the whole thing I will finally let the delta go, very probably for a RME Aio Pro. PCI (or PCIe now) is just a very stable, reliable and lightning fast bus. I use another mobile rig with an USB interface (focusrite) and can never manage the glitch-free low latency of this system - it’s low, but not in the same league.
Wich begs the question: I’ve never used the m-Audio monitor mixer, always managed to run everything inside the daw, to keep things simple and straightforward. Is TotalMix mandatory to run a RME interface?

[James Perrett]

Wich begs the question: I’ve never used the m-Audio monitor mixer, always managed to run everything inside the daw, to keep things simple and straightforward. Is TotalMix mandatory to run a RME interface?

It depends how much latency you can accept. If the latency through the DAW is acceptable to you then you don't need to use Totalmix. RME interfaces can run at low buffer sizes with fewer clicks and pops than other interfaces that I've tried so it will probably work.