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Behringer FLOW 8

Post by Mike Stranks »

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Some will recall that I recently specced a FLOW8 as part of a church install I've been working on.

The install is now complete with first proper use today so I though I'd share some thoughts.

I make no pretence that this is a conventional review so it will inevitably be partial and incomplete and will not explore those aspects for which there's no need in this application.

As you'll see from the image above, the control surface layout is simplicity itself. And that's ideal for the application for which I wanted this unit. Most of the users want to turn up, switch on all the kit and adjust faders if needed. Anything else, they don't want to know and could easily cause problems. No buttons to push or knobs to twiddle means the likelihood of getting in a tangle with the system deafeningly feeding back nicely or totally silent is all but eliminated.

So:
* Two mic inputs with 48v phantom power;
* Two mic/line inputs with no 48v phantom;
* Two x two stereo line inputs;
* Bluetooth link for music playback into the system
* Two individually configurable monitor outputs
* Two XLR balanced line-level outputs
* Two effects engines
* USB output for multitrack recording

Cost: c£200

All the tweaking and twiddling - apart from the most rudimentary of stuff - is done via the app. This is available in Android or iOS form and is linked to the mixer by a separate Bluetooth link - the mixer has two 'Bluetooths' - one for the app and one for music playback.

On the subject of the app, I've tried both versions. I haven't done a detailed analysis, but while it's worked flawlessly on my new iPad and previous gen iPhone, it didn't like my Android 6 tablet and only gave me partial control.

But once loaded I found the app worked with no glitches in operation or Bluetooth dropouts. The screens are simple and uncluttered - which is probably just as well if you're working from a phone and I found that the touch faders and other app controls were smooth in operation.

Via the app you have access to a variable high-pass filter, gain control, pan, individual phantom switching where appropriate and a simple 'one knob' compressor. I only tried this on relatively gentle settings for switch and it worked well with no artefacts. There's also a simple 4-band EQ, which you can switch to parametric if you choose. Mutes and solos are also available.

The main outputs have a 9-band graphic which can also be made parametric if you want.

My concern about the app is that there are no instructions provided at all - or none that I've been able to find. That's no great problem for me as an old sweat, but if you're new to things audio I think you'd struggle. That said, there are some preset 'typical' application settings that you can call up if you choose to.

You can store various banks of settings and recall as appropriate.

The two monitor sends may be linked to use as a stereo monitor send.

The effects engines appear useful - although they're not relevant to the purposes for which I bought the mixer. Of course, you've got the usual, "Wow!" stuff that you'll like when you try it, but will never use in reality!

The app follows well the movement of the physical faders, but as the faders aren't motorised, it doesn't work the other way around. But as soon as you take control of any fader via the app a warning light illuminates above the relevant physical fader. The physical fader is inactive until you move it to the same position as 'reported' by the app. At that point the warning light extinguishes and manual control on the mixer is enabled once more. It sounds complicated, but in reality it hasn't been a problem.

Incidentally, the faders feel solid and have a smooth action with no grabbing or snatching.

I 'baby-sat' things today and was able easily to make discrete and necessary adjustments to gain, EQ etc. via the app following install and set-up test a few days ago.

The church are already well-pleased with the system and are happy with the options for day-to-day simplicity with the ability for detailed fine-tuning by those who know about such things. (Fortunately, there's one person there who does know about such things!)

I pre-ordered this mixer with some trepidation before it became available as it seemed to have the right combination of price and simple/more complex operation that had been conveyed during my fact-finding and speccing with church leaders.

I'm pleased with what we've got and would not hesitate to get one for my own use if I was in the market for such a mixer.

As I said at the start of this piece, it's subjective and partial because I've not explored all of the features, but if you have any questions I'll do my best.

There are some YouTube reviews out there... Some are informative; some less so. :)

For anyone who's interested the full set-up is as follows:

* Two clip-on and two handheld/standheld radio mics all in Channel 70
* Rackmount radio mic antennae distribution system
* 2 roof-mounted radio mic antennae
* 4-channel power-amp allowing discrete control over three separate passive 6-ohm speakers
* CD/MP3 player via USB stick and SD card inputs
* Digital recorder recording to either/or both/and SD and USB stick in WAV or MP3 formats.
* Induction-loop amplifier
* 8-channel distribution amplifier to feed the mixer output to the digital recorder, induction-loop amp and the four-channel power-amp
* Room for expansion to send speaker and/or line-audio feeds to an extension to be built later this year.

All cabling installed to my spec by the contractors installing a new lighting system - or nearly! The didn't affix the specced BNC connectors to the antennae leads or give long enough tails at the rack end. Fixed with some ladder-work and ingenuity!
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Re: Behringer FLOW 8

Post by The Elf »

That looks a neat little device, Mike.

I think the thing that troubles me is when you say that the app is a requirement for all but the basics. Phone OS changes are frequent, and many is the app that has become unusable overnight due to OS updates. There are some apps I still mourn years after they were broken.
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Re: Behringer FLOW 8

Post by Mike Stranks »

That's a fair point Paul, but I think that in this specific application once the system has been fine-tuned for the limited set of voices there will be little need for tweaking.

If the app becomes u/s then the system will still work...

BTW, the new lighting system is also app-based... incredibly versatile from the quick demo I was given when installing my stuff last week...
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Maybe Behringer will bring out a bPhone to run their apps on? :D
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Mike Stranks wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:29 pm
The app follows well the movement of the physical faders, but as the faders aren't motorised, it doesn't work the other way around.

But as soon as you take control of any fader via the app a warning light illuminates above the relevant physical fader. The physical fader is inactive until you move it to the same position as 'reported' by the app. At that point the warning light extinguishes and manual control on the mixer is enabled once more.

This is what I wanted to find out. AFAIK you are the only reviewer mentioned this Mike.
I looked at some youtube videos, none of them mention this.
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Post by resistorman »

Thanks, that looks to be a useful device!
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Re: Behringer FLOW 8

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tea for two wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:42 pm
Mike Stranks wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:29 pm
The app follows well the movement of the physical faders, but as the faders aren't motorised, it doesn't work the other way around.

But as soon as you take control of any fader via the app a warning light illuminates above the relevant physical fader. The physical fader is inactive until you move it to the same position as 'reported' by the app. At that point the warning light extinguishes and manual control on the mixer is enabled once more.

This is what I wanted to find out. AFAIK you are the only reviewer mentioned this Mike.
I looked at some youtube videos, none of them mention this.

Maybe a new 'career' awaits... :lol:

But I do get more than a little irritated with the number of shockingly inaccurate and amateurish 'reviews' and explanations on YouTube. The inexperienced swallow this guff hook, line and sinker and some of the originators get very cross indeed if you tactfully point out that they're wrong or have misunderstood.

It's something I've been thinking about a bit recently... many people now head straight to YouTube when wanting to find out about gear... magazines like SoS are no longer just competing against other publications... there are whole new media which are 'free'; many of very dubious quality.

There are two or three YouTubers that I always have time for - Curtis Judd* being the cream of the crop - but many that I abandon after about 30 seconds because of non-existent production values, ego or inaccurate descriptions and explanations.

* primarily an audio-for-video man, but often reviewing/discussing things that are directly applicable purely to audio.
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Re: Behringer FLOW 8

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Mike Stranks wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:42 am

Maybe a new 'career' awaits... :lol:

But I do get more than a little irritated with the number of shockingly inaccurate and amateurish 'reviews' and explanations on YouTube. The inexperienced swallow this guff hook, line and sinker and some of the originators get very cross indeed if you tactfully point out that they're wrong or have misunderstood.

It's something I've been thinking about a bit recently... many people now head straight to YouTube when wanting to find out about gear... magazines like SOS are no longer just competing against other publications... there are whole new media which are 'free'; many of very dubious quality.

There are two or three YouTubers that I always have time for - Curtis Judd* being the cream of the crop - but many that I abandon after about 30 seconds because of non-existent production values, ego or inaccurate descriptions and explanations.

* primarily an audio-for-video man, but often reviewing/discussing things that are directly applicable purely to audio.


Mike I think if it was niche such as : Church recordings on a low budget : it could take off.
Who knows.
Given how cash strapped several denominations of Churches are, and around the World, they would find this rather useful.
Especially on location videos.
As would other cash strapped organisations.
I don't know if there is such a youtube channel.

With the absolute basics of which cable to purchase, where to connect included in each item reviewed / recommended.
No reviewer does this afaik.
It is scary for a person never done this as they worry about blowing things up lol or breaking the thing or electrocuting themselves.

With youtube reviews, amount of times I've face palmed I might have marks on my forehead :lol:
And the amount of times I've shouted "Not you the Product. I don't want to see you, I want to see the Product" lol.
Keith Floyd was often telling BBC camera operator "Not me, The Food!"

(I couldn't be the face of a youtube channel. And I couldn't deal with the trolls, horrible comments).
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Post by Martin Walker »

Lovely write up Mike!

However, I've just experienced a strange feeling. At first I didn't quite realise what it was, but then it dawned on me that I was actually (for the first time I can recall) fascinated to find out exactly what a new Behringer product could do.

The vast majority of the time we know exactly what new Behringer products do, because they are not new at all ;)

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Re: Behringer FLOW 8

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Martin Walker wrote: Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:56 pm Lovely write up Mike!

However, I've just experienced a strange feeling. At first I didn't quite realise what it was, but then it dawned on me that I was actually (for the first time I can recall) fascinated to find out exactly what a new Behringer product could do.

The vast majority of the time we know exactly what new Behringer products do, because they are not new at all ;)

Martin

:lol:

I know what you mean... I had very mixed feelings about buying it... I'm not much of a Behringer enthusiast these days... but the bottom line was that it was a round peg for a round hole... nothing else came close for required functionality.

It's the old "nice product; shame about the company" conundrum. In my mindset these days B'inger aren't the only ones in that category...
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I liked it so much, dear reader, that I bought one! :)
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The Elf wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:04 pm That looks a neat little device, Mike.

I think the thing that troubles me is when you say that the app is a requirement for all but the basics. Phone OS changes are frequent, and many is the app that has become unusable overnight due to OS updates. There are some apps I still mourn years after they were broken.

What Elf says, and what I’m looking forward to is a fully fledged "small" digital mixer, that doesn’t require an app.
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What I find frustrating about a lot of these apps is that they could be written as a simple HTML page and thus avoid that risk altogether.
But everyone want an app. :roll:
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Re: Behringer FLOW 8

Post by shufflebeat »

Nice work, Mike.

I’ve been eying this little gem for a while so your report is timely and welcome.

I’ve explored the app in demo mode and can’t think of much you’ve left out. There are a few hidden sweeties for those who know what they’re for but nothing more than a menu level away.

My main question now regards audio quality so if you have an opinion on that it would be good to hear.
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Re: Behringer FLOW 8

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shufflebeat wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:52 pm Nice work, Mike.

I’ve been eying this little gem for a while so your report is timely and welcome.

I’ve explored the app in demo mode and can’t think of much you’ve left out. There are a few hidden sweeties for those who know what they’re for but nothing more than a menu level away.

My main question now regards audio quality so if you have an opinion on that it would be good to hear.

Thank 'ee kindly zur!

Mine hasn't yet arrived so I can't give you any samples etc. My only previous experience was of the one I got for the install, which I only heard live and in a traditional church building. Not exactly conducive to a detailed assessment of audio quality! :)

That said, once gain structure was set properly, there were no 'hmms' about what we were hearing. Even on the first Sunday, when we were still micro fine-tuning during the service, afterwards people said the sound was much improved - but of course that was with different mics, mixer, amp and speakers!

I've not heard anything but praise of the whole package in the numerous reviews I've come across...

Watch this space... :)
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A church without "hmms"?

Not proper.

Please keep us posted.
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Oh dear!

It arrived with a weird fault in that it refused to update the firmware and wouldn't talk to the app...

... the return process has started... :thumbdown::cry:

Methinks an LR8 may be beckoning...
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Did my comment get deleted? I came back here to see if there were any replies, and it's gone?!
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Snatchy wrote: Sun May 21, 2023 1:02 am Did my comment get deleted? I came back here to see if there were any replies, and it's gone?!

Hi Snatchy :wave:

There is nothing in the mod logs that says a comment of yours was deleted!
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Re: Behringer FLOW 8

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Hello moderator - you said:

Reason: The reported message does not fit into any other category, please use the further information field. Duplicate Post.

This doesn't mean anything??? "does not fit into any other category", why does it need to? It's in response to the Behringer Flow 8, this thread!!

Then you say 'please use the further information field' - WHAT? Where, and why??

Finally, you say 'duplicate post' - which it isn't.

What are you on? A power game, or just trying to make sure this forum doesn't become too popular??
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Woah, calm down fella :-)

It's not a global conspiracy to shut you down, trust me.

I've been looking further into the logs and found this:

"Disapproved post “Re: Behringer FLOW 8” written by “Snatchy” for the following reason: Duplicate Post"

This happens now and again. It's rare but occasionally the forum throws up anomalies which appear to be duplicate posts but aren't. The moderator simply disapproved a post which appeared to be a dupe but on this occasion it would seem it wasn't.

The forum software is pretty good but not without its flaws and it would seem that your post got caught out on this one.

Our apologies. Please feel free to re-post what you had to say and I'll make sure it gets through this time.

Also, welcome to the forum :wave: ... we're definitely not on an agenda to deprive you of a voice so post your thoughts and we'll ensure they are made visible ;)
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Post by zenguitar »

Your post can be found here....

https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/view ... 25#p868325

This topic is an old topic that is a user review of the FLOW 8. Your questions about using the FLOW 8 have nothing to do with this old topic and would be far better addressed in a new topic in a more suitable forum.

You will notice that when I moved your post from this thread to create a new topic I added a post explaining what I had done.

A moment spent looking at your own posting history would have made everything perfectly clear.

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That clears it up, it wasn't immediately apparent checking on my phone. I'm guessing that there actually was a duplicate as the orginal had been relocated but the fact had not been noted. Thanks Andy :thumbup:
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Re: Behringer FLOW 8

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shufflebeat wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:21 pm A church without "hmms"?

Not proper.

Please keep us posted.

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