The Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread #3

[sonics]

Weighted keyboards though really reflect their piano heritage. If you do want to use polyphonic aftertouch effectively I do feel a synth style keyboard makes more sense.

I disagree about that. The CS-80 got it right. Nice weighted touch, and great sense of "digging in" for the effects.

This is also true for b3 organ playing where using the back of your hand to do a glissando on a weighted keyboard can be a somewhat painful affair.

I do hope you've not actually tried that!

[DGL.]

I have a feeling that if Behringer ever release a product it won't have a good keyboard on it.

AFAIK the DS80 was planned to have a light synth-action keybed.

The VC340 here has a semi-weighted action I believe, there are weights under each key (under a plastic cover) and I would expect the DS-80 to have the same. Looking at demo videos of the Ub-Xa might tell you what you need to know as that has the same keybed as I understand, it certinaly has polyphonic after-touch as will all their 61 key flagships I am led to believe. Certainly a different feel to my unweighted SH-201 but similar to my Motif XS7.

[tea for two]

Yes the CS-80 action is heavy, but always suited me nicely. A joy to play.
Nothing yet (that I've been able to play) has come that close to replicating it, ...won't have the lovely control panel, though!

Fiddling abooot with dials sliders on a 24inch touchscreen just doesn't cut it when messing on a GX-80, CS80v.
I have fantasised flying all over a real CS80 Vangelis style.
Yet here's the thing I've never noodled on a single vintage Synth. So I can use whichever emulation without feeling oh I can't get as much joy from it coz it isn't the real thing.

[Arpangel]

The original CS80 had very long wooden fully weighted keys, and the factory setup required quite heavy pressures for full modulation of the Afterthought and velocity response.

It was an afterthought? Blimey. I wonder how much it would have been if they'd planned for it.

I’m having that off Hugh, wonderful!
I’m in a music shop, I can just imagine it "has it got full verbosity and and afterthought"

[t-sun]

https://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_sol ... semble.htm

Solina is available for pre-order, £291/329 €/$299.

I assume it's back-ordered to hell.

[rACed2]

Slightly OT but has anyone here every come across a circuit diagram for the BCF2000?

[Arpangel]

https://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_sol ... semble.htm

I assume it's back-ordered to hell.

Wasn’t that a single by Bon Jovi?

This "back ordering" now they’ve found a way of relieving you of your money without actually having anything tangible to sell you, this is a major step forward, we’re going to reach a point where unless you’ve got an "account" with a company, with money in it, you won’t be able to buy anything from them, I’m fed up with the whole music retailing scene, I’m OK with my charity shop and classified finds, I’ll stick to those.

[Hugh Robjohns]

There's no way I'd pay up front for something not in stock. A modest deposit to have it ordered, sure, but not the full wack... and I simply wouldn't trade with any company that asked me to pay up front. That's not the way the business works.

[t-sun]

Sweetwater doesn't charge you until they ship the device, similar to Amazon. Which is great for US buyers, but they're the only one I know of that does it that way.

In other news, Behringer says the first of their sub $100 mini-synths is in production: JT-4000 at $69.

https://www.musicradar.com/news/behring ... production

Not the one I was looking forward to (definitely looking forward to the Pro VS) but a good sign nonetheless.

[DGL.]

Sweetwater doesn't charge you until they ship the device, similar to Amazon. Which is great for US buyers, but they're the only one I know of that does it that way.

In other news, Behringer says the first of their sub $100 mini-synths is in production: JT-4000 at $69.

https://www.musicradar.com/news/behring ... production

Not the one I was looking forward to (definitely looking forward to the Pro VS) but a good sign nonetheless.

The VS and it's companion eurorack module are supposedly also in production.

[N i g e l]

Slightly OT but has anyone here every come across a circuit diagram for the BCF2000?

nope but there are informative internal pictures online.
If your having PSU issues these have been discussed previously here - mainly that the PSU is a switch mode working from rectified mains - only for the brave !

[Arpangel]

There's no way I'd pay up front for something not in stock. A modest deposit to have it ordered, sure, but not the full wack... and I simply wouldn't trade with any company that asked me to pay up front. That's not the way the business works.

Absolutely. But there seem to be a few high profile dealers out there doing just this, are they desperate for money?

[Hugh Robjohns]

Even less reason to pay up front...

[BJG145]

Some time ago we introduced the ENIGMA concept synthesizer, inspired by the Buchla Easel. We have now built the first prototype and are about to fire it up and develop the firmware. Just to manage expectation, this will take time as it is a very complex synth with full c/c and patch memory. We hope that you’re as excited as we are.

[Arpangel]

Some time ago we introduced the ENIGMA concept synthesizer, inspired by the Buchla Easel. We have now built the first prototype and are about to fire it up and develop the firmware. Just to manage expectation, this will take time as it is a very complex synth with full c/c and patch memory. We hope that you’re as excited as we are.

Yeah yeah yeah.

[Hugh Robjohns]

My feelings exactly. Very, very bored of all the vapourware.

[BJG145]

Purlease don't start seeing eye-to-eye, that will throw everything out of whack.

(I believe in you Uli. Make me a Beasel.)

[DGL.]

Also been announced is the Spice (subharminiconesque) desktop synth, that Solina's are now shipping from Thomann and that they had stock, emphasis on had!

Also they're now assembling the first prototype of the UB-X, an OB-X clone in the full size 61 key case, should take a few months to have a working prototype helped by having the same software as the UB-Xa.

[DGL.]

And going by posts on GS it seems PRO-800's are starting to be shipped, a few people have had their order status updated to "preparing for packing" and there is one so far that has had their's updated to "shipped".
They're coming!

[Arpangel]

Purlease don't start seeing eye-to-eye, that will throw everything out of whack.

(I believe in you Uli. Make me a Beasel.)

There’s no reason why Hugh shouldn’t see eye to eye about something that most of us think is true "even" if it did come from me.
I think that anyone would be non-plussed at the way Behringer are conducting themselves as a major player, it’s cringe making.
I love all this "it’s been packed" "it’s being shipped" do we also get to know when the guy sending it takes a crap, or a tea break?

[N i g e l]

I love all this "it’s been packed" "it’s being shipped" do we also get to know when the guy sending it takes a crap, or a tea break?

I am quite keen on stats, especially on the day of the delivery stats.
I forget who it is that does the on the day route stats - you are no 56, driver is at No 53 a mile away, eta 20 minutes [ignoring time for any ablutions/tea breaks]

so much better than parcelfarce " sometime between 8:00 & 18:00 unless its tomorrow"

other delivery farces are available....

[Arpangel]

I love all this "it’s been packed" "it’s being shipped" do we also get to know when the guy sending it takes a crap, or a tea break?

I am quite keen on stats, especially on the day of the delivery stats.
I forget who it is that does the on the day route stats - you are no 56, driver is at No 53 a mile away, eta 20 minutes [ignoring time for any ablutions/tea breaks]

so much better than parcelfarce " sometime between 8:00 & 18:00 unless its tomorrow"

other delivery farces are available....

We’ve had notifications like "left under a neighbours car"

[BigRedX]

We’ve had notifications like "left under a neighbours car"

My favourite one of those was "Left in the blue bin" I don't have a blue bin. AFAIK Nottingham City Council have never used blue bins for anything. Certainly no-one in my street has one. I have a green bin and a brown bin. It wasn't in either, although the brown bin had just been emptied that morning...

[MOF]

AFAIK Nottingham City Council have never used blue bins for anything. Certainly no-one in my street has one. I have a green bin and a brown bin.

Or the grey bin? For someone who’s a bit colour blind grey might look blue.

[BigRedX]

Or the grey bin? For someone who’s a bit colour blind grey might look blue.

The only grey bins we've had here were of the metal pre-wheely bin variety.

The only place I've seen blue bins is in Whitby.