if a plugin loaded in daw with .7 ms latency will audio recorded thereafter be recorded with that latency

[slightly]

I should have been aware of this before, as have used the drop filter pluging on drums tracks before proceeding to record from externally, so my query is

in an ableton sesssion I had one plugin loaded on an audio synth track showing .7 ms latency(I forgot to remove) it was bypassed....

so is everything recorded from externallly to audio there after "incurring" this.7 ms latency into the recorded audio?

I presume yes?? so have adjusted the indiviual track delays in ableton...
important to know as sometimes ive 7 or 8 instances of the drop filter on midi drums so that would be alot of latency for externally recorded audio after that

thanks

[muzines]

Plugins get processed *after* the recorded audio tracks, so the audio is recorded at the right place. For audio plugins, they don't even necessarily delay the signal, as on playback the tracks are read out slightly early to compensate for any plugin delays..

The main problem with latency is that if you are using plugins on busses and outputs that can't be compensated for by reading the audio early, they shift the whole signal back, and if you record new tracks *while listening to the already delayed signal*, the audio isn't necessarily going to be recorded where you think it was.

I'm not sufficiently fluent with all the ins and outs of Ableton Live to know exactly it's behaviour in those situations, or exactly what tools it has to deal with this. Logic has, eg "Low Latency Mode", which temporarily disables plugins requiring a noticeable amount of latency, so you can track without those delays, then re-enable them afterwards.

[RichardT]

Don’t worry - 0.7ms of lag on a track is completely un-noticeable. Trained drummers start noticing delays of around 3ms, so I’m told, but most people don’t notice 10ms!

[Wonks]

Trained drummers start noticing delays of around 3ms, so I’m told

Just 4 bars after they should have come in.

[RichardT]

Trained drummers start noticing delays of around 3ms, so I’m told

Just 4 bars after they should have come in.

[Sam Spoons]

Trained thrash metal drummers start noticing delays of around 3ms, so I’m told

Just 4 bars after they should have come in.

FTFY

I found I could cope with wireless IEM's and singing if the latency was <6ms but more made them unusable.

[Philbo King]

That is equivalent to the sound traveling about 6 inches, the same amount as adjusting the position of a cymbal a bit.

[RichardT]

That is equivalent to the sound traveling about 6 inches, the same amount as adjusting the position of a cymbal a bit.

I looked it up - sound travels 1.12 ft / ms, so 6ms is about 7 feet. That would be a very strange drum kit!

[Philbo King]

You forgot the decimal point.
0.7 mSec = 0.0007 sec
1100 feet/sec x 0.0007 Sec = 0.77 feet
0.77 feet x 12 inches/foot = 9.24 inches
Sorry, I under estimated by 3 inches...

[RichardT]

You forgot the decimal point.
0.7 mSec = 0.0007 sec
1100 feet/sec x 0.0007 Sec = 0.77 feet
0.77 feet x 12 inches/foot = 9.24 inches
Sorry, I under estimated by 3 inches...

Sorry, too, I thought you were referring to Sam’s post, not the OP. Yes, that sounds about right.

[Sam Spoons]

That is equivalent to the sound traveling about 6 inches, the same amount as adjusting the position of a cymbal a bit.

Yes but sound travels faster through bone. It wouldn't be a problem for me if I was just playing but, for me, singing became impossible at >6ms