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My TOP SECRET drone composition

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Okay, there's nothing top secret about this :D

However, I have been working on my first drone composition for the past week and it's almost ready for prime time. I have avoided my usual journal style approach for this one because I've never written a straight drone piece before and I wasn't sure if it would even work.

However -- now that I'm down to the last couple of layers, I figured it would be safe to talk about it.

I've been wanting to write/perform/record a 'pure' drone composition since I got the Lyra-8 but other things have always taken precedence over it and ever since I got Clouds back in January and used it extensively during Jamuary, I have really been excited by the idea of a drone composition. But, like everything else I do, I needed a 'hook', something to grab me.

Since I've been experimenting with loops and musique concrete the past several months, I've been intrigued by the idea of a repeating loop with delay feedback creating a drone. I've tried experimenting with this a bunch of times but never liked the results. For this composition, however, I knew that would have to be my hook, and the base layer for the drone.

So I scoured Youtube for various recordings of the NYC subway system until I found a suitably gnarly metal-on-metal screech and created a 20 second loop from that. Using 3 delays, with 2 of them feeding back into each other, then adding the Blackhole, I experimented with delay feedback until I got a sound I liked; in the end, it sounds like the world exploding a little bit, or being caught inside a particle accelerator. :)

Once this was done (which took about a week of experimentation), I took one second from that screech, captured it in Clouds and then using Clouds' pitch shifting, recording four layers of Clouds. Due to the extreme length of the piece, this took me two days of experimentation to get where I liked it.

With the first 5 layers recorded, I then added two more layers of one of my Boomstar VCOs frequency modulating the other Boomstar VCO whilst also being PWM'd from an LFO. The final cherry on the cake was to take the sub out from the Boomstar and to pan the wave out and the sub out opposite each other and reocord two more layers, bringing the layer count up to 9 drones.

Today I added the Subharmonicon to the proceedings simply because the modular was out and I thought it would sound nice. I used all 6 oscillators on the SubH, also being modulated by LFOs and run through the Blackhole 100% wet and the Size also at 100%.

Unfortunately that's all I have had time for at this point. Like I said, the piece is very very long and each time I needed to get the level of the transcription loop lowered, that means recording it in real time in Logic and then re recording it back to the RC-5. This adds hours onto the process, but I like knowing that I have plenty of headroom.

The next step will be to add the Lyra-8 and see how that sounds, but for all intents and purposes, I actually like what I have thus far. For being a drone, and having NO melodic sequencing, or even tuning for that matter (it would be impossible to tune to the first layer of the metal on metal screeching anyway), the piece has a surprising ebb and flow to it. I have, on occasion, also been mesmerized by it, forcing me to start over because I missed an overdub point. :D

I am hoping to have it done in the next several days and when it is I will be sure to post it here. Strangely, I don't think this is my most experimental piece even though it's possibly the most out-there idea.
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This is an excerpt from the very early days of the composition if anyone is interested.

WARNING: It starts rather loud and rather abruptly, this is just a random clip.

https://audio.com/don-music/audio/drone ... -1-excerpt
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Very Industrial! :thumbup:
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It took another five hours of work today to complete the composition. I’m quite pleased with the final result though I acknowledge that this certainly won’t be for everyone.

I had forgotten about the recording limit on the RC-5 and I’m curious how close I am as the piece has 12 layers and is VERY long.

The final count of layers is:
1 layer of subway train screech looped into a delay feedback line
4 layers of subway screech through Clouds
4 layers of Boomstar Oscillation
1 layer of Subharmonicon (all six VCOs)
1 layer of Lyra-8
1 layer of spoken word
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Martin Walker wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:04 pm Very Industrial! :thumbup:

Thanks for listening, Martin! I’m curious as to what you will think of the final composition. I think it lost a bit of that industrial edge, though there’s still plenty of grit to go round!
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Composition is complete! You can find it in the Self-Promotion forum!

https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/view ... 49#p882449
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I’m getting a drone for my birthday, should I sample the propeller noise to start working in this genre? :crazy:
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MarkOne wrote: Sun Sep 03, 2023 5:00 pm I’m getting a drone for my birthday, should I sample the propeller noise to start working in this genre? :crazy:

LOL YESSSSSSS :D

No lie, I pretty much did the same thing. :)
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"Drone Music" is one of thee most derogatory descriptions of any genre of music I’ve ever heard, as it’s one of the most naturally beautiful IMO.
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Okay.
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What’s next, SLOP SECRET - noises recorded in the sewers called Drain Music? Just saying :bouncy:
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OneWorld wrote: Sun Sep 03, 2023 9:57 pm What’s next, SLOP SECRET - noises recorded in the sewers called Drain Music? Just saying :bouncy:

I may be interpreting your comment in incorrectly but if I've learned anything from collaborating with, listening to and collating the works created by, SOS forum members it is that they are many and varied and some don't appeal to others.

In all cases one's art is one's art. What may not work for you may work for others and in Ben's case, particularly, he's taken pains to share his thought processes and workflow in a manner that many of us find useful, inspiring and informative.

Ben is a prolific composer who produces a wide variety of works many of which are, in my humble opinion, extraordinarily good.

As I said, I may be interpreting your comment incorrectly but if you don't like the work there is absolutely no need to be dismissive of it. If you were to point out something I overlooked I'd be glad to see the clarification.
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It just jumped off the page at me. I just have great difficulty taking life seriously - except of course the really critical issues the world faces
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As a practitioner of "drone" music myself, and more importantly, in this context, Free-Improvisation, I’ve played gigs where the musicians have outnumbered the audience, and we’re talking about a solo act :D
If you don’t get it, and that applies to all music, then it doesn’t bother us as players, people like things, but they also don’t like things, that’s life. And the music I make isn’t any better or worse than any other genre.
It’s a bit like the missionary’s who played Bach non-stop to distant tribes in far away lands in the hope they’d get it and become "civilised" we know thats bollocks, and we’re in danger of touching on that, if someone likes our music fine, welcome them with open arms, and I welcome those who don’t too, I’d say to them thanks for taking the time to listen.
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Arpangel wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2023 7:57 am As a practitioner of "drone" music myself, and more importantly, in this context, Free-Improvisation, I’ve played gigs where the musicians have outnumbered the audience, and we’re talking about a solo act :D
If you don’t get it, and that applies to all music, then it doesn’t bother us as players, people like things, but they also don’t like things, that’s life. And the music I make isn’t any better or worse than any other genre.
It’s a bit like the missionary’s who played Bach non-stop to distant tribes in far away lands in the hope they’d get it and become "civilised" we know thats bollocks, and we’re in danger of touching on that, if someone likes our music fine, welcome them with open arms, and I welcome those who don’t too, I’d say to them thanks for taking the time to listen.

I didn't say I liked it, I didn't say I didn't like - was just tossing ideas about. And I am sure the maker of the track is happy it's being talked about?

Consider me a member of a distant tribe ;-)
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Eddy Deegan wrote: Sun Sep 03, 2023 11:48 pm I may be interpreting your comment in incorrectly

Or you may just be lacking a sense of humour, squire. Get over yourself!

Honestly, this forum is turning into PC Central, with people falling over themselves in order to apologise for something they didn't even say, or worse, demanding apologies for someone else's "perceived" offence.
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FrankF wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2023 12:38 pm
Eddy Deegan wrote: Sun Sep 03, 2023 11:48 pm I may be interpreting your comment in incorrectly

Or you may just be lacking a sense of humour, squire. Get over yourself!

Honestly, this forum is turning into PC Central, with people falling over themselves in order to apologise for something they didn't even say, or worse, demanding apologies for someone else's "perceived" offence.

PC Central? can’t remember the last time I saw him on our beat.
I’m not apologising for anything I said or what anybody else said, if I did, I’d be here for the next five lives.
My post was just another of my oblique squints at things at the edge of the page, in the margins, or are the margins at the centre?
I’m in London you know, so I’ll be excused of everything if you don’t mind.
It’s a bit like Manuel being from Barcelona.

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No rythmn, no counterpoint, harmony, or melody. No pleasing acoustic textures or timbre. No human performance or creation. No point.
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Ben Asaro wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2023 9:40 pm
Martin Walker wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:04 pm Very Industrial! :thumbup:

Thanks for listening, Martin! I’m curious as to what you will think of the final composition. I think it lost a bit of that industrial edge, though there’s still plenty of grit to go round!

Listening now - will report back in your release thread :thumbup:
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Shostakovich wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2023 3:02 pm No rythmn, no counterpoint, harmony, or melody. No pleasing acoustic textures or timbre. No human performance or creation. No point.

:D:D:D No, don’t beat around the bush, or wrap it up in pleasantries. Tell us what you think.
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Wow!
For a moment I thought I'd accidentally fallen into farceboot or twatter :shocked:
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Shostakovich wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2023 3:02 pm No rythmn, no counterpoint, harmony, or melody. No pleasing acoustic textures or timbre. No human performance or creation. No point.

But is there a musical structure? I can’t listen to it yet, I’m looking forward to that when I get home.
Lots of music doesn’t have a conventional structure, containing the elements you mention, but it still has something musical, it’s a question of whether we "get it" it or not, but I’m a bit on dodgy ground here, as you don’t need to "get" a beautiful tree, or a flower, or need to understand it, or attach meaning to it, to see it’s beauty, or to appreciate it.
But we can’t all be Beethoven, have you come back from the dead?
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Shostakovich wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2023 3:02 pm No rythmn,

Assuming you mean 'rhythm'. Respectfully disagree. There are several meters within the piece, some more obvious than others.

no counterpoint,

Respectfully disagree here. There is quite a bit of oblique counterpoint.

harmony, or melody.

Again, respectfully disagree. If by 'harmony', do you mean 'functional harmony', as in cadences? Either way, there is abundant harmony here, though I will admit much of it is obscured by the copious amounts of distortion, delay, and reverb. The piece starts off with quite a clear and distinct melody, and it ends with the same. I don't know what criteria you use for 'melody' but it appears to be rather narrow, in my opinion.

No pleasing acoustic textures or timbre.

This is purely subjective, and I think you forgot the in my opinion part in your summary. The textures and timbre are not intended to be pleasing, or soothing; the source audio was the sound of metal on metal screeching, I made that quite clear from the start.

No human performance or creation.

I can assure this that this was lovingly created and performed by a human. In fact, it took about 50 hours of work to record it.

No point.

Okay.
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