Promoter for Hire

[amanise]

I spent a lot of time in hotels on and off when I was working. I hate that they're all the same. You can't tell where the hell you are when you first wake up in the morning. It's taken the shine off hotel based holidays for me unfortunately.

I'm not sure professional touring musicians get to stay at very salubrious places until they are Elton John or someone like that. I expect Beyonce's accommodations on tour are quite nice.

On her recent tour with The Pretenders, Chrissie Hynde took to posting photos of the views from her hotel windows on her Facebook page. From what I could tell, the primary booking criteria must have been to be as close to the night's venue as possible. They all looked dire. She didn't post any showing her room, just the view out of the windows.

[Arpangel]

Ha Ha!
I love hotel life, I’d live in one if I had unlimited money. It’s like being a child again, having everything taken care of. I'd quite happily live in a suite in the Dorchester for the rest of my days.

One of the best hotels I stayed in had a section for self contained flats : so it had a separate kitchen, a separate bedroom, a separate lounge with sea view.
These didn't look like how hotels look that standard decor : they looked like a person's flat an average persons flat that just gets by after paying the rent mortgage.
I loved it.

Downstairs there was a large glass windows breakfast dining room nearly over looking the sea which had if I recall a Blüthner grand, one of the yummiest Pianos I noodled on.
One morning I was so taken by the sun streaming thru the large windows as the guests were having breakfast I without thinking did something I'd normally be petrified to do I noodled on the Blüthner grand around 10minutes. The manageress said it was lovely I was so embarrassed.
That weekend there was an Eastern European Pianist which is part of the weekend entertainment She was superb on the Blüthner.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RMs5uK ... p=drivesdk
Pic I took of the Blüthner from when I was there.

I enquired from letting agents how much to rent a flat like that a month at the time just over decade earlier it was £525 per calender month utility bills included + council tax : which I thought was really reasonable considering in London same flat would be £1.5K in an average area upto £4K in an expensive part of London.
The hotel was The Grand Hotel in Folkestone on the Leas overlooking the Channel.
https://www.visitfolkestoneandhythe.co. ... rand-3510/

That Bluthner is the same one as ours, except the legs are slightly different.
The Grand "was" a nice hotel, it was very "down" before it closed, I think it's being refurbished now, or its gone entirely, that whole are is changing, it's very sad.

[tea for two]

When I see Mary Spender on utube :
https://m.youtube.com/@MarySpender/videos
Mary promotes sells her museek, does interviews, does gigs, writes sings songs, reviews Guitars, guests with others on their utube channel including Rick Beato.
I think this generation as Mary they can I'm over generalising here do these different things it's something they been born into : being self made using tech.

I can't do all these I wasn't born into the current tech era. At my age just doing one of these would bog me down. Whereas in my youuff I could do a host of things.

[amanise]

Can certainly relate to the extra capacity of a youthful brain - but the whole Introvert vs Extravert thing is very different. I don't think there are very many people at all who are both at the same time.

[Drew Stephenson]

...but the whole Introvert vs Extravert thing is very different. I don't think there are very many people at all who are both at the same time.

I'd concur. I'm once of those weird people who always scores right down the middle of personality tests (Myers-Briggs et al.) but they're definitely not co-existing states of mind.

[amanise]

...but the whole Introvert vs Extravert thing is very different. I don't think there are very many people at all who are both at the same time.

I'd concur. I'm once of those weird people who always scores right down the middle of personality tests (Myers-Briggs et al.) but they're definitely not co-existing states of mind.

Yes - one of those annoying continuum things. People move up and down between the two states throughout their life - but only ever occupy one point on the curve.

[tea for two]

Returning to the topic.
Our ability to promote our self : is having to be whatever is required which varies in ease of difficulty depending on the person, circumstances, age, health, well being any other factors.

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Can certainly relate to the extra capacity of a youthful brain - but the whole Introvert vs Extravert thing is very different. I don't think there are very many people at all who are both at the same time.

I'd concur. I'm once of those weird people who always scores right down the middle of personality tests (Myers-Briggs et al.) but they're definitely not co-existing states of mind.

I'm sorry chaps I'm not into such utterly narrow confines as introvert extrovert, personality tests.

We are as human beings untold layers of emotional mental humane inwardly spiritual.
We are aware how we personally vary emotionally mentally minute to minute hour to hour depending on so many factors.
Whether we tapped into our intrinsic humaneness, whether we recognise the inwardly spiritual within our innermost self depends on us as a person.
As there are millions upon millions that don't behave with humaneness sometimes, more than sometimes.
Our inward spirituality well it's not necessary although it is of importance.

[amanise]

Well you never know - you might be one of those rare people who can do all of it on your own then. Give it a go and see how you get on. I know from experience where my limitations are.

[tea for two]

Those that have had to follow a museek career for monetary reasons : rent mortgage bills.
I doff my hat to them.
They gotta do what they gotta do.
Even if they find it difficult.

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I couldn't do it.

I can't do all these I wasn't born into the current tech era. At my age just doing one of these would bog me down.

I'm grateful I have never been in such a situation.
I've not even uploaded any of my museek on to any streaming site.
Solely on SoS one album start of this year.
Not into museek career since my mid 20s even an iota although in my teens till mid 20s I wanted to be in festivals thousands rocking dancing to my stuff, also dreams in my teens of being on stage with JmJarre.

[Arpangel]

As soon as we stop thinking about ourselves, in a very egotistical way, and stop thinking and acting like no one else matters, apart from our own wants and needs, we may get somewhere.
But that’s a hard task.

[tea for two]

As soon as we stop thinking about ourselves, in a very egotistical way, and stop thinking and acting like no one else matters, apart from our own wants and needs, we may get somewhere.
But that’s a hard task.

It's sooo serendipitous I suppose is the word you say this.
Just the other day occured to me these monetary streaming sites make us put our museek there for our monetary gain our exposure.
Not for the pure reason of in the service of museek, not for the pure reason for the love of giving our museek to others, not for the pure reason for our museek to hopefully do something for someone.

I suppose soundcloud, utube are sites where we can upload to without thinking of our monetary gain.

Yet there are those that need to earn money thru museek for rent mortgages bills so for them it is necessary to try to earn thru any means necessary including streaming sites.
Yet I feel if instead of thinking of money, instead thinking of the service of museek, how our museek can serve others, how our abilities in museek making can serve others, this would help.

[Arpangel]

As soon as we stop thinking about ourselves, in a very egotistical way, and stop thinking and acting like no one else matters, apart from our own wants and needs, we may get somewhere.
But that’s a hard task.

It's sooo serendipitous I suppose is the word you say this.
Just the other day occured to me these monetary streaming sites make us put our museek there for our monetary gain our exposure.
Not for the pure reason of in the service of museek, not for the pure reason for the love of giving our museek to others, not for the pure reason for our museek to hopefully do something for someone.

I suppose soundcloud, utube are sites where we can upload to without thinking of our monetary gain.

Yet there are those that need to earn money thru museek for rent mortgages bills so for them it is necessary to try to earn thru any means necessary including streaming sites.
Yet I feel if instead of thinking of money, instead thinking of the service of museek, how our museek can serve others, how our abilities in museek making can serve others, this would help.

Some go into music to make a career out of it, financially, theres nothing wrong with that, and I wish i could have done so.
But, those that want a career and money target certain types of music, commercial and popular, but there are certain types of music that aren’t commercial enough to be support yourself with, and it's normally other reasons that get us into those types of music, not money, and we take full responsibility for the outcome, and accept the situation for what it is, having other means to support ourselves.

[tea for two]

Some go into music to make a career out of it,

There's so many aspects to seeking a career in museek : from being a roadie, to being an engineer, to being an instrument gear app developer manufacturer, to writing reviewing in magazine as SoS, to being a tutor, so forth.

I feel in all these were we doing so in service of museek, in service of others to help others make museek, it stands us in fine fettle.

[Sam Spoons]

I have never made my main income from playing music but have, for much of my life, made at least a small part of my income from 'the business'. From a regular Saturday night restaurant gig that paid my mortgage for 8 years just after I got married (to Mrs S) in my '20s to most of the last 13 years before I retired when I earned more as a sound engineer than I did in my day job. I am happy that I did, in my 50s to my mid '60s, those jobs that I didn't have the bottle to do in my 20s*.

OTOH I have never found much satisfaction in 'audience pleasing' by which I mean I enjoy pleasing an audience by playing music I love but don't get any pleasure out of playing stuff I don't like**...

These days I have embraced my 'inner folkie' and primarily play for me, if the listeners (if there are any) enjoy it that's great but there's no pressure to achieve that end so it's open mics and jam sessions where the focus is playing for playing's sake rather than playing for the audience.

* My parents were both am-dram enthusiasts and my dad, in particular, was pretty good but they were pretty conventional and I guess I grew up in their image (and for that I have no complaint) so when I was offered a European touring gig with an unknown band I turned them down (it was a good call as it happens as they came home penniless but they could have hit the big time )

** TBF I have done plenty of that over the years for various different reasons but it makes playing music a job.