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VST to switch stereo input to different outs?

Post by Grappa »

Hi all,

Anyone know of an AU or VST plug-in that has stereo input and a UI that allows selection of different outputs?

I need to retire my Drawer MC2.1 as I'm changing setup and just want to be able to replicate the ability to select different speakers.

It's a little complicated as I'm running a lightweight VST host as the default output on my system which is effectively replacing my monitoring chain and incorporates multi-output room correction convolution for mains/subs; hence the need to be able to select outputs to route to these.. or my Mixcube or cans..

Don't want to do it in my DAW as I'm effectively intercepting the output of this and routing into the VST host above. This way it doesn't matter what I'm monitoring (system or DAW) the workflow is identical.

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Could you maybe do what you want with Rogue Amoeba Audio Hijack?
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Grappa wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 4:37 pm I need to retire my Drawer MC2.1 as I'm changing setup and just want to be able to replicate the ability to select different speakers.

So how do you plan on getting the signal to the speakers? What hardware is replacing it? Mac or PC?

I do that with an RME interface and their ARC, for example.
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sonics wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 6:32 pmMac or PC?

OP mentioned AU so I assumed Mac.
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Matt Houghton wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 5:51 pm Could you maybe do what you want with Rogue Amoeba Audio Hijack?

Thanks for the post. I'm actually using AH for grabbing DAW audio but for a number of reasons it won't work for my monitoring chain.

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sonics wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 6:32 pm
Grappa wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 4:37 pm I need to retire my Drawer MC2.1 as I'm changing setup and just want to be able to replicate the ability to select different speakers.

So how do you plan on getting the signal to the speakers? What hardware is replacing it? Mac or PC?

I do that with an RME interface and their ARC, for example.

I have a new RME UCX II arriving on Tuesday.. might be able to do what I need to do directly in TM but need to dig in a bit.

I was also looking at the ARC as it looked like a perfect solution but seems you can't use the rotary to control fader groups so controlling my mains/subs wouldn't be achievable as they will be going out on 1/2 and 3/4.

Appreciate the post.

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TotalMix can route anything to anything - and it allows MIDI control, so you should be able to find a way to achieve what you want.
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How about TotalMix Remote on an old iPad? Nice cheap solution. :D
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sonics wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 10:15 pm How about TotalMix Remote on an old iPad? Nice cheap solution. :D

I don't know about TotalMix Control, but my experience of using an 'old' iPad for stuff like this is a bit of a mixed bag.

Manufacturers upgrade the utility and you end up with something that won't run on your old version of iOS, and you can't upgrade the iPad to a version that's compatible because the old iPad is end of life.
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MarkOne wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:57 am I don't know about TotalMix Control

Clearly. ;)
I suggested this as an option because I know the software. From the RME website:
"TotalMix Remote runs on iPad2 or newer, and all iOS versions from 12.0 up, using only few resources."

In general though, your comment is worth noting, of course. IME older app versions often continue to run fine, but perhaps with a reduced feature set.
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Post by Aled Hughes »

Your RME will allow to choose between speaker sets.

I'm pretty sure the ARC will also control grouped faders, if they are appropriately grouped with the one under the ARC'r rotary control.

May I ask why you have your subwoofers and mains on separate outputs? Is this a surround/immersive system?
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Post by Grappa »

Thanks for the posts all.

Having done a little more research ahead of the imminent UCX II arrival I think I can do most of what I need to do using total mix and the ARC. Looks killer for my needs..

@Aled - I use separate outs as I use room correction filters (Lin and min phase) that effectively have the crossovers and time delays 'baked' into them. These were created using Accourate.

Just in case anyone asks I run multi-subs to allow me to smooth the low end response of the room (along with extending the low end) as even though it's a very well treated space and has a couple of PSI AVAA's. I run the filters as there's always room for a little more polish :)

Thanks again to everyone that responded.

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sonics wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:11 pm
MarkOne wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:57 am I don't know about TotalMix Control

Clearly. ;)
I suggested this as an option because I know the software. From the RME website:
"TotalMix Remote runs on iPad2 or newer, and all iOS versions from 12.0 up, using only few resources."

In general though, your comment is worth noting, of course. IME older app versions often continue to run fine, but perhaps with a reduced feature set.

It's good to know that RME's commitment to product longevity extends to things like ancillary apps.

Generally the problem comes when an app is updated, requiring a newer version of iOS, there is no way of getting the old version of the app that does run on your device. The App Store doesn't keep legacy versions and isn't clever enough to point you to the right version when you connect with an old iPad. (Well, it probably could be, but that wouldn't force you scurrying to an Apple Store in search of a new device, would it?)
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Last time I tried it was possible to download an older version of the app but Apple didn't make it easy, and I can't remember if you could download an app you didn't previously have. TBF it is a while ago. Things may change since the EU told Apple that they can't prevent iPad users from downloading apps from third party developers.
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Re: VST to switch stereo input to different outs? Forget it! RME UCX II is awesome

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Update:

RME UCX II and Arc USB all installed and working like a dream.

Much of what I was doing/planning to do ITB is now taken care of by TotalMix and I'm happily now running a 2.2 environment with Acourate FIR correction/crossovers/driver alignment without all of the extraneous gubbins I had lashed up prior.

Also great to have the crossfeed capability as an added bonus for my cans!

Very impressive product and feature set for the money.

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You might want to check out Blue Cat's PatchWork or DDMF's Metaplugin, both of which offer stereo input and allow for flexible routing to multiple outputs. These can be integrated into your VST host, fitting well with your complex setup for multi-output room correction and various monitoring needs. Alternatively, consider a virtual audio router like Audio Hijack or Virtual Audio Cable to manage outputs independently of your DAW, keeping your workflow consistent across all audio outputs.RegardsBest Roofers Of Arlington
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