Hi all, out of mild curiosity Im installing one of these old DSP cards, Im still working on getting it to interface with Cubase.
These have the same DSP algorithms as the 02R and 01V desks as far as I understand. Are the dynamics and equalisation any good? The reverbs are from the REV 500 which was quite well accepted at the time.
Im more curious about the dynamics/ eq though. Im not expecting any mojo, really just curious of any opinions good/ bad (or indifferent) on these. Yamahas RnD must have been pretty reasonable on these back then..
Yeah, that's my recollection too. I also had the Rev500. A competent reverb but nothing special (kept my pair of Rev 7s and a TC M350 in preference to that, which I sold on). Can't imagine wanting to run that system today other than for nostalgia. Though I still miss the sounds from my Yamaha SW1000XG and PLG150-AN card (I had other cards, but that one was special).
Mmm. I don't know why you'd bother, either. Nothing special at all IMO.
Matt Houghton wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:37 pm
Can't imagine wanting to run that system today other than for nostalgia. Though I still miss the sounds from my Yamaha SW1000XG and PLG150-AN card (I had other cards, but that one was special).
Yes, liked those. I still use my MU rack with VL board.
Thank you all for the replies.
Yes its just out of curiosity as the card was lying around. Suspect its too old too really bother with now, though a slight nostalgia factor also crept in..
I run an old system as I have a bank of rack synths that I program with an app called Sounddiver and an Opcode patchbay.
It all still works for my needs which are fairly modest.
Thanks again. I always get a helpful response on this forum.
Matt Houghton wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:37 pm
Yeah, that's my recollection too. I also had the Rev500. A competent reverb but nothing special (kept my pair of Rev 7s and a TC M350 in preference to that, which I sold on). Can't imagine wanting to run that system today other than for nostalgia. Though I still miss the sounds from my Yamaha SW1000XG and PLG150-AN card (I had other cards, but that one was special).
I still have an SW1000XG sitting in a drawer here.. can't force myself to dispose of it as we had so many good times together Really was killer back in the day especially with the AN card... although I wouldn't want to go back to any of that old gear nowadays other than for a trip down memory lane.
Matt Houghton wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:37 pm
Yeah, that's my recollection too. I also had the Rev500. A competent reverb but nothing special (kept my pair of Rev 7s and a TC M350 in preference to that, which I sold on). Can't imagine wanting to run that system today other than for nostalgia. Though I still miss the sounds from my Yamaha SW1000XG and PLG150-AN card (I had other cards, but that one was special).
I still have an SW1000XG sitting in a drawer here.. can't force myself to dispose of it as we had so many good times together Really was killer back in the day especially with the AN card... although I wouldn't want to go back to any of that old gear nowadays other than for a trip down memory lane.
I'll never understand the rationale of manufacturers, no more than I know why toast always lands butter side down, but the SW1000XG was a cracking card, if only Yamaha had released 64bit drivers for the audio side of the card - a perfectly adequate MIDI synth and 12 channel audio all in the same card - perfect.
But I guess they discontinue their product line in order to get us to buy new products. I got my SW1000XG for £30.00, a cheated wife sold all her wayward husband's gear, before he came to collect his belongings, only thing she didn't sell was his dog, the rest went in Loot magazine in a revenge sale, she was asking £35.00 for it.I told her the first tune I'll write on it will be one about her dirty lying cheatin no good hound dog of a husband, so she knocked me a fiver off.
Matt Houghton wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:37 pm
Yeah, that's my recollection too. I also had the Rev500. A competent reverb but nothing special (kept my pair of Rev 7s and a TC M350 in preference to that, which I sold on). Can't imagine wanting to run that system today other than for nostalgia. Though I still miss the sounds from my Yamaha SW1000XG and PLG150-AN card (I had other cards, but that one was special).
I still have an SW1000XG sitting in a drawer here.. can't force myself to dispose of it as we had so many good times together Really was killer back in the day especially with the AN card... although I wouldn't want to go back to any of that old gear nowadays other than for a trip down memory lane.
I got my SW1000XG for £30.00, a cheated wife sold all her wayward husband's gear, before he came to collect his belongings, only thing she didn't sell was his dog, the rest went in Loot magazine in a revenge sale, she was asking £35.00 for it.I told her the first tune I'll write on it will be one about her dirty lying cheatin no good hound dog of a husband, so she knocked me a fiver off.
OneWorld wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:21 am
I got my SW1000XG for £30.00, a cheated wife sold all her wayward husband's gear, before he came to collect his belongings, only thing she didn't sell was his dog, the rest went in Loot magazine in a revenge sale, she was asking £35.00 for it.
I had an EMU sound card many years ago, the sound quality was amazing, very good, it also came with loads of great software.
My EMU X-Board was also very good, both were a winning combonation.
So why did I change?
OneWorld wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:21 am
I'll never understand the rationale of manufacturers, no more than I know why toast always lands butter side down, but the SW1000XG was a cracking card, if only Yamaha had released 64bit drivers for the audio side of the card - a perfectly adequate MIDI synth and 12 channel audio all in the same card - perfect.
Desktop computers have moved on from the PCI interface as used by these cards. I'd imagine that very few if any current PC motherboards have PCI slots - PCI Express has been around for over 20 years.
Given that, there is very little incentive for manufacturers to continue support for PCI based cards if they can only be used in very old computers and not in current computers.
OneWorld wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:21 am
I'll never understand the rationale of manufacturers, no more than I know why toast always lands butter side down, but the SW1000XG was a cracking card, if only Yamaha had released 64bit drivers for the audio side of the card - a perfectly adequate MIDI synth and 12 channel audio all in the same card - perfect.
Desktop computers have moved on from the PCI interface as used by these cards. I'd imagine that very few if any current PC motherboards have PCI slots - PCI Express has been around for over 20 years.
Given that, there is very little incentive for manufacturers to continue support for PCI based cards if they can only be used in very old computers and not in current computers.
John
Well, what they do is design a new card, that uses PCIe
Arpangel wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:45 am
I had an EMU sound card many years ago, the sound quality was amazing, very good, it also came with loads of great software.
My EMU X-Board was also very good, both were a winning combonation.
So why did I change?
I had a similar setup, I changed because I had to, after the change from 32bit to 64bit, a lot of stuff went into a museum - the box under the desk in a corner of the room
Arpangel wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:45 am
I had an EMU sound card many years ago, the sound quality was amazing, very good, it also came with loads of great software.
My EMU X-Board was also very good, both were a winning combonation.
So why did I change?
I had a similar setup, I changed because I had to, after the change from 32bit to 64bit, a lot of stuff went into a museum - the box under the desk in a corner of the room
Yes, I could have kept it going as a stand alone system, but got seduced into buying a shiny new computer, that's what getting money does for you, you’re better off staying poor, in these cases.
OneWorld wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:21 am
I'll never understand the rationale of manufacturers, no more than I know why toast always lands butter side down, but the SW1000XG was a cracking card, if only Yamaha had released 64bit drivers for the audio side of the card - a perfectly adequate MIDI synth and 12 channel audio all in the same card - perfect.
Desktop computers have moved on from the PCI interface as used by these cards. I'd imagine that very few if any current PC motherboards have PCI slots - PCI Express has been around for over 20 years.
Given that, there is very little incentive for manufacturers to continue support for PCI based cards if they can only be used in very old computers and not in current computers.
John
Well, what they do is design a new card, that uses PCIe
Yes, they could do that, but in practice would they see the return on their investment?
There aren't very many PCIe audio interfaces around, perhaps because the rise in USB audio interfaces started at roughly the same time as the change from PCI to PCIe. A USB audio interface has a much wider potential market of users (laptops as well as desktops, PCs, Macs and various OSes) than a PCIe one.
I think it's likely that most manufacturers of such things saw an opportunity with USB2.0 and didn't bother reworking older cards to use PCIe or designing new PCIe cards.
Arpangel wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:45 am
I had an EMU sound card many years ago, the sound quality was amazing, very good, it also came with loads of great software.
My EMU X-Board was also very good, both were a winning combonation.
So why did I change?
I had a similar setup, I changed because I had to, after the change from 32bit to 64bit, a lot of stuff went into a museum - the box under the desk in a corner of the room
Yes, I could have kept it going as a stand alone system, but got seduced into buying a shiny new computer, that's what getting money does for you, you’re better off staying poor, in these cases.
"Better off staying poor" yep, if I earned a £100 a week I'd spend a £101, if I earned a £1000 a week I'd spend £1001 twas ever thus.
Matt Houghton wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:37 pm
Though I still miss the sounds from my Yamaha SW1000XG and PLG150-AN card (I had other cards, but that one was special).
I still miss my Kenton Plugstation, fitted with four PLG cards including the 150-AN and VL.
Someone contacted me years ago via the SOS Forum asking if they could buy it from me, and as I wasn't really using it at the time I agreed. He got a bargain, but since then I really could have used the unique sounds on those cards as my music changed direction.
Matt Houghton wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:37 pm
Though I still miss the sounds from my Yamaha SW1000XG and PLG150-AN card (I had other cards, but that one was special).
Martin Walker wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 10:48 pm
I still miss my Kenton Plugstation, fitted with four PLG cards including the 150-AN and VL.
This morning read the SoS reviews.
SW1000XG plugs into PCI port, does the PLG card connected to it via ribbon cable just hang oorrff it loose.
I wouldn't mind the VL card although there is the standalone box VL70M which BJG145 has.
I had AN1X early noughties was ace.
tea for two wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 10:37 am
This morning read the SoS reviews.
SW1000XG plugs into PCI port, does the PLG card connected to it via ribbon cable just hang oorrff it loose.
Like Martin, I ran four PLG cards in a Kenton Plugstation. But IIRC the SW1000XG could host a single daughterboard that could be mounted on the main card. I think there was a ribbon cable but that was not the mounting system! That arrangement might have meant no access to an adjacent slot for other cards, of course... I can't recall. The Yamaha CS6 range of synths could also host one card, as could the Motif range.
tea for two wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 10:37 am
This morning read the SoS reviews.
SW1000XG plugs into PCI port, does the PLG card connected to it via ribbon cable just hang oorrff it loose.
Like Martin, I ran four PLG cards in a Kenton Plugstation. But IIRC the SW1000XG could host a single daughterboard that could be mounted on the main card. I think there was a ribbon cable but that was not the mounting system!
Yes, there was a short ribbon cable to connect your chosen PLG card with the SW1000XG audio interface, but the PLG card itself was attached via via four short clip-on supports that went through the four corner holes shown here:
... wow memories ... DSP Factory, Swonky, ADAT interface and Cubase VST/32 ... then they brought out the first Cubase SX and never gave the promised support to that set-up and it finally went the way of all good gear - to the tip ...
