Does a contemporary music plug in exist like this (specific type of noise manipulation)?

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Does a contemporary music plug in exist like this (specific type of noise manipulation)?

Post by alexis »

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone knew of a plug in that might do the following, or get me close enough that I could do the rest ...? Please bear with me, and I promise I haven't been consuming any mind-altering substances ...

I'm looking for the audio version of the following visual phenomenon: A TV show, then gradually the picture gets degraded because white "snow noise" gets added bit by bit until ultimately the whole screen is filled with white "snow noise" (no actual signal/TV show visible), then all of a sudden, "SNAP" everything almost instantaneously collapses into a single white point in the middle of the screen (the rest of the screen being black), then the white point blinks out of existence, "like a singularity point", leaving just a black screen.

So, in terms of audio ... some music or dialogue in wide stereo, then gradual introduction/addition of a low level of white noise also in stereo, such that as the volume of the noise goes up its frequency does also (this part wasn't described in the visual description above), till the whole audio soundscape is just loud noise at a reasonably high frequency, then SNAP it almost instantaneously collapses to one point in the center of the stereo field and then becomes completely silent.

I could probably maybe figure out how to do slog through doing this "manually", but it I wonder if some plug in used in modern music production might make that easy?

Thanks for any thoughts!!
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Post by BWC »

I'd be surprised if there was a plugin for that specific effect sequence. :think: ...then again... ...but finding it? ...if it exists? I understand why you asked. Still, I think your time would, ultimately, be better spent just "slogging through". Actually, it doesn't sound too difficult to put together. Generating noise and cross-fading is easy enough. Then...

Until you started talking about the "frequency" of the noise changing, I was thinking, for the "collapse" just pulling the level way down, while narrowing to mono, and maybe adding a little delay / reverb. With noise, there are many frequencies, of course, that's what makes it noise, but your description made me think of slowly sweeping a filter, with a little resonance. Then, the "collapse" could be the resonance quickly pushed to self-oscillation, while reducing the level and narrowing to mono, so that the noise becomes a single tone as it collapses, just before disappearing (You know how to make it disappear, right? ;)).

This might actually be a terrible description of what I'm thinking. I would've tried it first (enough to better express it, at least), but unfortunately, I have a dead power supply at the moment. :cry:
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Re: Does a contemporary music plug in exist like this (specific type of noise manipulation)?

Post by ajay_m »

Try a ring modulator plug in with one input white noise and the other the audio signal and adjust the relative levels of these. Or FM in the same way or even both. This'll mimic the degradation more convincingly I would think rather than just mixing in noise, because the audio signal degrades.
A "telephone" eq (very restricted bandwidth) and an amp sim with a distortion plugin could also be useful here.

And another thought. Run the audio through a cheap low power FM transmitter and mic up a radio then slowly detune the radio.
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Re: Does a contemporary music plug in exist like this (specific type of noise manipulation)?

Post by ajay_m »

The video effect of course simulates what happens on an old TV set when vertical and horizontal drive is lost at power off, leaving the undeflected electron beam in the centre briefly until the EHT voltage stored in the tube capacitor (formed of a conductive coating on the back of the tube) discharges.

This of course does risk burning a hole in the phosphor so "spot swallowing" circuitry was soon added to prevent this.
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Re: Does a contemporary music plug in exist like this (specific type of noise manipulation)?

Post by Kwackman »

I'm not sure if there's a plug-in that will allow you to reduce the word length of your audio, but if so, it might float your boat in terms of noise taking over.

From this article (from 2008) https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/view ... hp?t=43761
came audio examples, have a listen to the piano at 16, then 3 bit...
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... ions-media

EDIT to add, also worth checking out Vinyl, I think it's still free!
https://www.izotope.com/en/products/vinyl.html
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Re: Does a contemporary music plug in exist like this (specific type of noise manipulation)?

Post by Drew Stephenson »

Melda's bit-crusher is part of their free set and a lovely source of destruction.
I suspect a carefully automated combo of the suggestions above will do the job, and probably take less time than searching for a single plugin with that capability.
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Post by The Elf »

When I last needed a song to fade into distortion I automated the bit count of a bit reducer. I also had a filter taking anout rhe harshness as it progressed. In your description I would also start with a wide stereo signal and reduce it to mono.
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Re: Does a contemporary music plug in exist like this (specific type of noise manipulation)?

Post by ManFromGlass »

Wasn’t there a tv series back in the black + white days that started like that?
The Outer Limits? Some other scifi show? Some voice saying “we have control of your tv set”?
The challenge of having many memories (another way to say old!) is it takes awhile to try and remember more than snippets. But on the BBC there is a video that says walking backwards helps with memory. Perhaps not on a busy street that also has telephone poles, though.
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Re: Does a contemporary music plug in exist like this (specific type of noise manipulation)?

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ManFromGlass wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:11 pm Wasn’t there a tv series back in the black + white days that started like that?
The Outer Limits? Some other scifi show? Some voice saying “we have control of your tv set”?
The challenge of having many memories (another way to say old!) is it takes awhile to try and remember more than snippets. But on the BBC there is a video that says walking backwards helps with memory. Perhaps not on a busy street that also has telephone poles, though.

I was struggling to pull up a memory, as well. I think the problem is that I've seen something like that in more than one place, so makes it even more challenging to dig something out of the old stack. :lol:
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Post by sonics »

There are a thousand ways to achieve something like that, depending on your imagination. It sounds like fading/morphing between states, so that's what I'd be concentrating on.

Lots of morph plugins (and synths). Here's one I used recently, but you've just missed the sale on it! :(
Transmutator

There's also MeldaProductions MMorph and Morph by zynaptiq.
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