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Re: Song lyrics copyright

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Drew Stephenson wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:57 pm Just take a picture of some sand and draw some straight lines across it. ;)

Yes, that would reflect the budget for the whole album.

:)

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Re: Song lyrics copyright

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Arpangel wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 8:17 am
Drew Stephenson wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:57 pm Just take a picture of some sand and draw some straight lines across it. ;)

Yes, that would reflect the budget for the whole album.

:)

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Yes, for mine too. It's good advice though. Your own images (photos or otherwise derived if you're lucky enough to be visually gifted as well (like my Sister the crabby old bag) - are by far the safest. Unless you don't give a sh1t, like me. Ho Ho. What's that letter that just fell on the mat?
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Re: Song lyrics copyright

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amanise wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 8:59 am
Arpangel wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 8:17 am
Drew Stephenson wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:57 pm Just take a picture of some sand and draw some straight lines across it. ;)

Yes, that would reflect the budget for the whole album.

:)

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Yes, for mine too. It's good advice though. Your own images (photos or otherwise derived if you're lucky enough to be visually gifted as well (like my Sister the crabby old bag) - are by far the safest. Unless you don't give a sh1t, like me. Ho Ho. What's that letter that just fell on the mat?

I've just taken a couple of pictures myself, all done.
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Re: Song lyrics copyright

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I've just been trying to work out exactly how much this album has cost me, it's virtually nothing, just the electricity.
My time? but I wouldn’t be doing anything else.
The Gear? I already have it.
I'm very low maintenance.
I could do with an engineer though, you all know I hate it.
And a keyboard tech.
And someone to give me deadlines.
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Re: Song lyrics copyright

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I'll need it done by Monday please.
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Re: Song lyrics copyright

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Drew Stephenson wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 12:44 pm I'll need it done by Monday please.

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Central European Time too... ;)
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This album is killing me, yet more set-backs. The investment involved here isn’t in any way in proportion to the returns.
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Re: Song lyrics copyright

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There must be a number of words, below which it’s not possible to claim copyright.

I mean how many songs contain he words (and the title) The Power of Love, or Learn/Learning to Fly
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Re: Song lyrics copyright

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MarkOne wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:07 pm There must be a number of words, below which it’s not possible to claim copyright.

I mean how many songs contain he words (and the title) The Power of Love, or Learn/Learning to Fly

Pro tip: "Fly" rhymes with "so high" and "touch the sky".
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Re: Song lyrics copyright

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I think it's pretty established that titles aren't copyrightable, it's just the body of the lyrics that are protected, and even then most jurisdictions recognise clichés and common turns of phrase to be unprotectable.
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Re: Song lyrics copyright

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Arpangel wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:17 am This album is killing me, yet more set-backs. The investment involved here isn’t in any way in proportion to the returns.

I have to seriously ask if that has ever really been the case?
If so then you're definitely doing better than most.
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Re: Song lyrics copyright

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Chet Leeway wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:21 pm
MarkOne wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:07 pm There must be a number of words, below which it’s not possible to claim copyright.

I mean how many songs contain he words (and the title) The Power of Love, or Learn/Learning to Fly

Pro tip: "Fly" rhymes with "so high" and "touch the sky".

;) Oh, trust me, I know ;)
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Re: Song lyrics copyright

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Drew Stephenson wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:40 pm
Arpangel wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:17 am This album is killing me, yet more set-backs. The investment involved here isn’t in any way in proportion to the returns.

I have to seriously ask if that has ever really been the case?
If so then you're definitely doing better than most.

The question should be, do I take my music seriously? That is a very difficult question to answer.
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Re: Song lyrics copyright

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One last question, if I take a couple of minutes from a well known artists song, reverse it, slow it down, and process it beyond recognition, am I still in breach of copyright?
I think I am, but if I'm not, how far does obliterating the original work have to go before I'm not?
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Re: Song lyrics copyright

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Arpangel wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:47 am One last question, if I take a couple of minutes from a well known artists song, reverse it, slow it down, and process it beyond recognition, am I still in breach of copyright?
I think I am, but if I'm not, how far does obliterating the original work have to go before I'm not?

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Re: Song lyrics copyright

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Folderol wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:47 am
Arpangel wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:47 am One last question, if I take a couple of minutes from a well known artists song, reverse it, slow it down, and process it beyond recognition, am I still in breach of copyright?
I think I am, but if I'm not, how far does obliterating the original work have to go before I'm not?

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Re: Song lyrics copyright

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Arpangel wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:47 am One last question, if I take a couple of minutes from a well known artists song, reverse it, slow it down, and process it beyond recognition, am I still in breach of copyright?
I think I am, but if I'm not, how far does obliterating the original work have to go before I'm not?

This is one of those things that can't be answered in general. Different courts have had different takes on it. Some have ruled that if it's unidentifiable then it is sufficiently transformative, others have said any sample, no matter how small or mangled, requires a licence.
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