Is there an advanced plug in that allows you to copy those revolutionary tape machine techniques that 10cc used?

[Synthman4]

I've just bought the Rhodes V8 Pro piano plug-in that was used in 10cc's 'I'm not in Love' and Billy Joel's 'Just the Way you Are'.
I was wondering if there is an advanced plug-in that also uses those pioneering tape machine techniques used in these classic songs?
Synthman

[Music Wolf]

Well, you could follow this article https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... c-not-love, and spend a considerable amount of time recording your own Ahh loops (with a DAW it shouldn't take you anything like the three weeks that 10cc spent doing it). Then draw vol curves to replicate the fader movements from the original, or............

Load a vocal sample into a plugin sampler (I used Halion in Cubase) and get 90% of the way there in a couple of minutes.

What made 'I'm Not in Love' work was the skill of the writing, the quality of the performance and the fact that it was innovative at that time.

[MarkOne]

A couple of hours with a mic and a sampler could get you in the ball park.

They did 16 passes chromatically per voice, and had tape loops all over the place. but with waves ADT or Anteres choir you could probably get away with 8 or less actual recordings, and you’d only need to sample every 4th note. Sing each aah for a couple of seconds and re sample the results into your choral note groups.

Loop the notes in your sampler with a generous cross fade (I’d do it in Logic’s sampler because I know it well, but Kontakt could do it too) and then map the samples over the keyboard, add a volume envelope, and also map volume to the mod wheel (or aftertouch?) for swells.

I might just do this for a project I have on the back burner. It sounds like fun!

[Music Wolf]

I haven't mapped out the chords, but did they really need all the notes of the chromatic scale for 'I'm Not in Love'?

It's raining this morning, maybe an exercise for later?

[Synthman4]

If there's not such a plug in for the 'I'm not in Love' ahhh tape sound there's certainly a plug-in for the exact mellotron sound the Moody Blues used! https://youtu.be/ewwu9G4jNyc?si=OzsElkFXgMwnWjrk

[muzines]

If there's not such a plug in for the 'I'm not in Love' ahhh tape sound

If you have Kontakt (full version required) you can buy and play the *actual* samples:
https://www.sampletekk.com/index.php?ro ... duct_id=77

"We're very chuffed to announce that we've had a little hand in this unique library.... the vocal washes from 10cc's 'I'm not in love'...

Our friends at SampleTekk managed to secure the rights from 10cc's Eric Stewart to make the astonishing vocal washes of their seminal hit record, a production masterpiece, "I'm not in love", available as a sample library and SampleTekk honoured us by asking HS to put together a Kontakt GUI for the project.

Not just an honour but enormously exciting because, as far as I am concerned, 'INIL' is one of the best records ever made.

The band spent three weeks recording hours of 'aaaahs' of individual notes onto 16 track, creating big stacks of vocals which were then mixed down to countless stereo reel-to-reels which were then bounced back to to the 16 track and some tracks further bounced down within the 16-track leaving a few tracks let for the Rhodes, Eric's vocal, some bass (from co-writer Graham Gouldman), a (synthesised) kick drum (done on MiniMoog) from Kevin Godley plus some grand piano and, of course, the 'Big boys don't cry' from 10cc's studio secretary. And then the band 'played' their Helios mixing desk, fading and punching in and out this astonishing wash of vocal textures. A leviathan achievement and quite frankly, it was quite eerie to have in our possession the raw recordings from such a classic record.

It's a lot more fun to do your own versions though, and explore your own creativity rather than taking someone elses' - fun those these things are to explore...

[Synthman4]

If there's not such a plug in for the 'I'm not in Love' ahhh tape sound

If you have Kontakt (full version required) you can buy and play the *actual* samples:
https://www.sampletekk.com/index.php?ro ... duct_id=77

"We're very chuffed to announce that we've had a little hand in this unique library.... the vocal washes from 10cc's 'I'm not in love'...

Our friends at SampleTekk managed to secure the rights from 10cc's Eric Stewart to make the astonishing vocal washes of their seminal hit record, a production masterpiece, "I'm not in love", available as a sample library and SampleTekk honoured us by asking HS to put together a Kontakt GUI for the project.

Not just an honour but enormously exciting because, as far as I am concerned, 'INIL' is one of the best records ever made.

The band spent three weeks recording hours of 'aaaahs' of individual notes onto 16 track, creating big stacks of vocals which were then mixed down to countless stereo reel-to-reels which were then bounced back to to the 16 track and some tracks further bounced down within the 16-track leaving a few tracks let for the Rhodes, Eric's vocal, some bass (from co-writer Graham Gouldman), a (synthesised) kick drum (done on MiniMoog) from Kevin Godley plus some grand piano and, of course, the 'Big boys don't cry' from 10cc's studio secretary. And then the band 'played' their Helios mixing desk, fading and punching in and out this astonishing wash of vocal textures. A leviathan achievement and quite frankly, it was quite eerie to have in our possession the raw recordings from such a classic record.

It's a lot more fun to do your own versions though, and explore your own creativity rather than taking someone elses' - fun those these things are to explore...

Do you have a link to this plug in?!

[Hugh Robjohns]

Do you have a link to this plug in?!

He gave it in the post you re-quoted!

https://www.sampletekk.com/index.php?ro ... duct_id=77

[Synthman4]

Cool! Well I've just bought the Moody Blues Mellotron and soon I shall have this added to my collection. I've got Kontakt 7 so I'm all ready.

[BillB]

If there's not such a plug in for the 'I'm not in Love' ahhh tape sound

If you have Kontakt (full version required) you can buy and play the *actual* samples:
https://www.sampletekk.com/index.php?ro ... duct_id=77

"We're very chuffed to announce that we've had a little hand in this unique library.... the vocal washes from 10cc's 'I'm not in love'...

Our friends at SampleTekk managed to secure the rights from 10cc's Eric Stewart to make the astonishing vocal washes of their seminal hit record, a production masterpiece, "I'm not in love", available as a sample library and SampleTekk honoured us by asking HS to put together a Kontakt GUI for the project.

Not just an honour but enormously exciting because, as far as I am concerned, 'INIL' is one of the best records ever made.

The band spent three weeks recording hours of 'aaaahs' of individual notes onto 16 track, creating big stacks of vocals which were then mixed down to countless stereo reel-to-reels which were then bounced back to to the 16 track and some tracks further bounced down within the 16-track leaving a few tracks let for the Rhodes, Eric's vocal, some bass (from co-writer Graham Gouldman), a (synthesised) kick drum (done on MiniMoog) from Kevin Godley plus some grand piano and, of course, the 'Big boys don't cry' from 10cc's studio secretary. And then the band 'played' their Helios mixing desk, fading and punching in and out this astonishing wash of vocal textures. A leviathan achievement and quite frankly, it was quite eerie to have in our possession the raw recordings from such a classic record.

It's a lot more fun to do your own versions though, and explore your own creativity rather than taking someone elses' - fun those these things are to explore...

Erm, is it just me, or do the samples sound awful? Perhaps it’s just the way they are used in the demos, but I wouldn’t pay the required $6 for this , even if I had Kontakt.

[Eddy Deegan]

Erm, is it just me, or do the samples sound awful? Perhaps it’s just the way they are used in the demos, but I wouldn’t pay the required $6 for this , even if I had Kontakt.

Are you referring to the demo track on the page linked previously? If so, I'd agree it's not a great example of how one could use the samples but unless I'm overlooking something the manner in which they were employed to create "I'm not in Love" probably involved a lot of FX and processing. Or, possibly more likely, simply tons of reverb

If the famous intro to the track was created from the (prior to being sampled) samples on offer, which I'd assume it is, then I reckon it's probably up to the purchaser to use whatever means they see fit to make something of them. If they're not usable 'out of the box' then that would sort of fit with the manner in which music of the time was made also.

I've done a few tracks where judicious processing was essential for the sound I got on some parts and if I'd given the raw source to someone they'd have probably struggled to get the same result. As would I if I was in their shoes to be honest. I'd have difficulty recreating the same sound from my original recordings if I didn't have access to my notes and even with them I'm sure it wouldn't come out the same if I tried to do it again.

Devil's advocate and all that!

[muzines]

Those two demos are using the sounds in completely different context to what they were designed for of course.

When you play them with more of that dreamy quality, loads or reverb, they're quite nice and have an interesting character. Of course, there were multiple bounces and so quite a bit of generation loss, but no one complained about how bad they sounded on the record...

It's not really a general purpose choir sound, but it's nice nonetheless. No, the demos don't really show much of interest.

[James Perrett]

I've done a few tracks where judicious processing was essential for the sound I got on some parts and if I'd given the raw source to someone they'd have probably struggled to get the same result. As would I if I was in their shoes to be honest. I'd have difficulty recreating the same sound from my original recordings if I didn't have access to my notes and even with them I'm sure it wouldn't come out the same if I tried to do it again.

There have been a few occasions where I've been given old tracks to mix where there were very distinctive effects on some parts like the reverse reverb on this -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx3YzMtUasI

Fortunately those effects were often recorded onto a separate tape track which made life much easier. Currently I am trying to get into the habit of rendering tracks that use special effects or VSTi's so that, if the effects or instruments are no longer available, I don't lose the sound.

[BJG145]

Soniccouture have a similar choir.

https://www.soniccouture.com/en/product ... ape-choir/

Someone claimed to get close using Adaptiverb.

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/zy ... adaptiverb