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Benches or stools for keyboard players

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Can anyone recommend a good solid seat suitable for a keyboard player?

Ideally I'd like one that allows me to keep the lower keyboard of my two-tier rack at a height suited to playing while I'm standing up, giving me the option to stand or be seated without altering the keyboard stand. But I'm interested in more traditional keyboard benches too if there's nothing of that kind available.

I used to own a Quik-lok D-749 adjustable stool (pictured below), but found it terribly clunky. The adjustable components are easy to knock out of place and the footrest makes a lot of noise, and I mean a really deep noise that you can hear all over the house, after only the slightest moving of your feet. The backrest was just as noisy too.

I supposed I should mention that I'm 5'10" tall, leg size 30" (wish that was true of the waistline too). I refuse to answer any questions about my star sign though.

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Try a Shooting Stick!!

I had one many moons ago when I played live, and it was an ok idea. You can set the height and after a while you get adept at keeping it between your legs when standing. Mind you ... I was a good deal thinner then...

Plus it can be used for shootin' and huntin' and fishin' ... etc

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What's your star sign Comradec?

Come on, you can tell us.
We won't tell anyone else.

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Post by Brian Moynihan »

I bought a couple from Thomann.de, their own brand. I got a single stool for the Farfisa organ and a twin stool for the grand piano. I think neither stool was over £48 at the time!. My favorite is the twin seat because it has one of those lifting lids you can store sheet music/tuners/cuban cigars/oompaloompas in, and the large 2-person surface area means your buttcheeks have support while you move up and down the octaves on a large keyboard.

The one person seat has those corkscrew style knobs for height adjustment, but the twin seat for piano doesn't height adjust, although I prefer it just for the size. The build quality is good on them and quite a selection of woods/colors.
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Zukan wrote:What's your star sign Comradec?

Come on, you can tell us.
We won't tell anyone else.

Hmm. I may inadvertently have distracted people from the actual purpose of my initial posting.

As it happens, I don't have a star sign and that's because astrology is a load of crap.
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In common with the best place for getting 19" racks, I'm sure Ikea must have something...
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The Bob Campbell wrote:I bought a couple from Thomann.de, their own brand. I got a single stool for the Farfisa organ and a twin stool for the grand piano. I think neither stool was over £48 at the time!. ...
The one person seat has those corkscrew style knobs for height adjustment, ...

Thanks Bob. Was the stool you bought the Thomann Stehhilfe, as pictured below?

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Or perhaps the Millienium ST-90, shown here?

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I like the look of these two, especially the first. The QuikLok stool I mentioned earlier doesn't have a proper locking system for keeping the footrest in place, hence the constant clanging to which I referred. But these stools from Thomann appear to have secure tightening systems, which should prevent that problem. The QuikLok one also has a huge footprint, in terms of the space the base takes up.
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Matt_Moose wrote:In common with the best place for getting 19" racks, I'm sure Ikea must have something...

Often they do, but not on this occasion. I bought a barstool from there, thinking it would do the job, but it was rather too high and unstable for keyboard playing work.
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comradec wrote:but it was rather too high and unstable for keyboard playing work.

I was thinking that they might have some breakfast bar stool, but that was the fear on height etc.

Like the look of the first one of your pics. The 2nd one has the seat sloping the wrong way in my mind - should be forwards so you can rest against it, surely?
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Actually Comradec quite different from those, not as high. The type I went for, for both keyboards, are 'traditional' shaped, not breakfast bar style stools. They are square with 4 wooden legs, a fabric top, all wood. You'll see there are loads of variations on the theme on Thomman's site. I guess it's personal taste, I can see the appeal of the ones you just posted though! For me, my keyboards aren't high up or on stands themselves so these traditional ones made more sense. I think if I had a couple of workstations one above the other I'd probably go for the breakfast bar/adjustable style you posted.

Talking of workstations do you like your Fantom G6? I've been vaguely shopping for a good sequencing/sampling workstation for a while and kept hovering back and forth between the Korg M3 and the Fantom G6. I found the Yamaha screen was much too ugly for my liking and I fear (from experience) that Yamaha's loading/saving routines would probably drive me to the edge of armageddon.

I'm sorely tempted to try and shift my general 'laying down of tracks' work into a hardware workstation instead of Logic/Reaper that I've been using because I wanna get back to that Stevie Wonder way of working and feel less like an IT specialist. What's put me off so far is the weakness of the samplers built into most workstations, i.e. they can play the stuff that comes with the workstation, but trying to create your own, in depth multisampled instruments can be a nightmare....
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The Bob Campbell wrote:Talking of workstations do you like your Fantom G6? I've been vaguely shopping for a good sequencing/sampling workstation for a while and kept hovering back and forth between the Korg M3 and the Fantom G6. I found the Yamaha screen was much too ugly for my liking and I fear (from experience) that Yamaha's loading/saving routines would probably drive me to the edge of armageddon.

I like the Fantom-G6 very much. I'm not the quickest of learners and have been somewhat plagued by writers' block for a few years (maybe it's age, maybe it's lifestyle changes, I don't know), but I'm getting on really well with the FG6. I have a few reference points for commenting on hardware workstations as I've previously owned Yamaha's Motif Classic and the QS300, and also have an Alesis Fusion 6HD.

The FG6's display screen is a revelation compared with other workstations. It's not a touch-screen like Korg's (I often wonder if M3 users get fingerprints all over the screen?), but it enables a lot of information to be shown in one place. Many functions are still accessed via buttons rather than the mouse and working out which method does what takes a bit of getting used to.

The sequencer is a very DAW-like, an impression emphasised by the ability to click and drag items with a mouse - a much-needed update for hardware workstations. It's a lot more intuitive than any of the other synth workstations I've used.

I haven't done much to explore its synthesis capabilities as yet, nor have I imported any new multisamples, but the built-in sounds are almost universally excellent and the range of responses to different levels of velocity and aftertouch is on a par with the better software samplers.

One thing I'd like, but which isn't there yet, is a more advanced arpeggiator along the lines to be found in the Motif range (post-Classic). There are a number of built-in arpeggios but nothing like the scope you get on the Motif. Hopefully, this is something Roland will look at next time they update the FG operating system.

The other downside of the hardware workstation is that a great more forethought has to go into putting together a track that includes audio loops. Although the FG can connect up to a computer and you can import files to it via Windows Explorer, it's a great shame that you can't actually view your computer's directory structure on the FG itself. Now that really would be an improvement and it would make laying down beats on the fly a lot easier. I guess it depends where your computer monitor, keyboard and mouse are located in relation to your synth, though. If you've got the sort of desk that houses them together, this might well be easier to achieve.

I recommend checking out the Fantom-G tutorial videos available on Dan Krisher's YouTube Channel. There are more than 20 available now and they give a good idea of the FG's typical workflow and potential.

Back to the seating arrangements, I've taken the plunge and ordered the first Thomann stool I mentioned in the post above. I like to have my main keyboard set at a height where I can choose either to play while standing or lean back on a (stable) seat. Moving down to computer desk level, as my keyboards have been recently, makes it a bit too easy to get distracted by the attractions of the web. Like this forum, I guess.
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Dave B wrote:Try a Shooting Stick!! ...

Plus it can be used for shootin' and huntin' and fishin' ... etc

But I'm a vegetarian so I don't go shootin', huntin' 'n' fishin' anyway.
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Matt_Moose wrote:Like the look of the first one of your pics. The 2nd one has the seat sloping the wrong way in my mind - should be forwards so you can rest against it, surely?

I think the second stool is probably quite like the QuikLok one I used to own, although it looks like the various components have a proper locking system so they wouldn't clunk around as much. The amount of space it requires on the floor is also substantial, making it not the most convenient piece of furniture to keep in a small room. Probably very good for gigging, though.
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