Yamaha Reverbs

[Arpangel]

I'm trying to look for a pedal, that covers Yamaha SPX type effects, namely reverbs.
There doesn’t seem to be any around, it’s an area that doesn’t seem very popular, plenty of Lexicon clones etc.
My favourite reverbs have always been Yamaha, and I'd like a pedal that I could use live, apart from the Magic Stomp, half rack boxes like the EMP100 and FX500, there aren’t any modern options.
Probably end up getting an EMP100 or a Magic Stomp, but these are pricey these days.

[James Perrett]

Oddly enough I've never liked Yamaha reverbs that much. I went down to the local music shop one day back in the 80s with the intention of buying an SPX-90 but they didn't have one so I came back with an Ibanez SDR1000. I'm really glad that I did because the Ibanez (which was actually a Sony unit in disguise) is much more usable and sounds better though I really need to fix that noisy op-amp on the input.

[Tomás Mulcahy]

Agreed, the SPX90 is prone to ringing since it is the basic Schroeder algorithm apparently. Back in the day (mid to late nineties) we had the Alesis Quadraverb, Sony DPS V77 and Yamaha Rev 7 (an SPX 90 with more RAM so it's a little more complex sounding, and a few more reverb parameters). The Sony was the best sounding by a long way. The Alesis was great for unrealistic but lush spaces, but there was not much headroom on the input. We'd often use the Yamaha on snares that needed to ring more.

That Ibanez is probably now worth more than you paid for it.

Tony why not but an IR loader pedal? I think most of them are designed for cabinet and acoustic guitar body IRs, I don't know if they'd also work with a reverb IR. The TC one looks dead simple, and the Zoom MS80 is probably brilliant, if the MS100 I have here is anything to go by. There are plently of Yamaha IRs around. I have some I made from my own DMP7D if you want those.

[Sam Spoons]

I have a TC Impulse IR, I'll try to dig out a reverb IR and see if it works, I have no clue whether it will but I suspect it won't, reverb needs some kind of feedback option.

[Arpangel]

Tomas, thanks for your offer, but I'm a bit confused, and I've not used IR's.
I like Yamaha reverbs, they have this very "spacey" light and airy sound.
They are made somehow, for their keyboards, the Chorus-Delay- Reverb patch in the SPX900 made my DX7 sound absolutely heavenly, unlike anything I've used since.

[shufflebeat]

IR loader pedals are really just VST (and other format) convolution reverbs in a box, as far s I can tell so any spare iPad, laptop or other number cruncher can do the donkey work with a semi-decent interface attached.

If you’re in the box anyway it seems a bit of a circular track.

[Sam Spoons]

Working/thinking from first principles, a IR is a snapshot of the way a device or space changes the sound of the original 'impulse' over a very short period of time (between a few dozen and a couple of hundred milliseconds). That works fine as a basis for an eq curve of an amp, speaker or guitar body but a reverb needs a reverb algorithm (delays, repeats, decay etc.) with the IR providing data as to how those would sound? So loading a reverb IR into an amp/cab sim won't turn it into a reverb?

[Arpangel]

I’ll just go out and buy an SPX900.

[N i g e l]

Working/thinking from first principles, a IR is a snapshot of the way a device or space changes the sound of the original 'impulse' over a very short period of time (between a few dozen and a couple of hundred milliseconds)

If the reverb space is large, the complete impulse will take a long time to decay by the desired db.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLUcOFwZvyY

[Hugh Robjohns]

So loading a reverb IR into an amp/cab sim won't turn it into a reverb?

There are plenty of hardware and software IR reverbs around.

The issue, in relation to an amp/cab sim, is the duration of the Impulse Response defining the desired reverb which obviously has to last as long as the reverb tail. Few hardware pedal amp/cab sims would have sufficient memory or processing capacity to accommodate a reverb IR — especially the three-day reverb types that Tony likes.

[wendelgee2]

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[IAA]

I used some Bricasti M7 IRs recently in Logics space designer they were gorgeous and my Moog sounded as though it was in York Minster!
Crikey and they were free from sampliciity.

Ian.

[adrian_k]

Yes those are very nice IRs

[IAA]

I’m just about to try Logics latest update which has the Quantec. Folks are raving about it, but I’ve never come across it other than I think it comes from the era Tony’s after?…..
FWIW I tended to use the Valhalla Vintage for most reverb duties or these Bricasti IRs , I can’t imagine anything else really. Although that says more about me I guess.

Ian.

[tea for two]

I used some Bricasti M7 IRs recently in Logics space designer they were gorgeous and my Moog sounded as though it was in York Minster!
Crikey and they were free from sampliciity.

Ian.

Nice one for the heads up shall have a butchers as it were. I use space designer for some stuff this Bricasti emulation could be handy.
Edit : Straightforward download just click. There's no setup login account that does my head in.
For instance I don't have any SoundToys plugin the recent free PhaseMistress plugin required account set up login : I didn't.

[Arpangel]

I’m just about to try Logics latest update which has the Quantec. Folks are raving about it, but I’ve never come across it other than I think it comes from the era Tony’s after?…..
FWIW I tended to use the Valhalla Vintage for most reverb duties or these Bricasti IRs , I can’t imagine anything else really. Although that says more about me I guess.

Ian.

I think the Quantec is very good at small spaces, the Bricasti has never caught my attention, it’s very ordinary in my opinion, I'm thinking where’s all this money gone.
Yamaha have made some great stuff, if I had all top reverb units I'd still choose a Yamaha REX50 for piano, it's magic, some units just get one particular thing absolutely spot on, regardless of price, my Lexicon LXP1 has the scariest realistic small room, incredible, but the high end units are great for large synth spaces, and TBH any one of them will do for me.
Software, it’s always the Valhalla stuff for me, or EpicVerb.
But there is something great about Yamaha units, that is unique, a friend of mine always used to laugh at my sounds for the SPX900, he said that it literally could have been designed for my DX7 it suited it so well, and even the reverbs in my MX61 I use now in preference to any of my other verbs.
But getting back in perspective, a reverb doesn’t make a piece.

[Dynamic Mike]

I loved the REX50 reverbs and delays on guitar. The other effects weren't great but I still regret parting with it.

[Arpangel]

I loved the REX50 reverbs and delays on guitar. The other effects weren't great but I still regret parting with it.

Just goes to show, if it sounds good it is good, and our opinions shouldn’t be swayed by how much something costs.
Now things like this prices are creeping up, not just a few pounds, like they used to be.

[N i g e l]

I have experienced music inflation @ about 7% / yr since pandemic.
Over 4 years thats 30%, which is very noticable & probably even affects 2nd hand.

[Arpangel]

I have experienced music inflation @ about 7% / yr since pandemic.
Over 4 years thats 30%, which is very noticable & probably even affects 2nd hand.

Very true, second hand things are going from having a laugh, to full-on taking the p**s.
I sold a Midiverb 11 recently, I thought no, I’m not going to rip the guy off, I sold it for £60 which is what I was prepared to value it at, and that's what I do, I’m not contributing to this madness.

[N i g e l]

It may well get madder if the US start an import tariff war.

[Dynamic Mike]

I loved the REX50 reverbs and delays on guitar. The other effects weren't great but I still regret parting with it.

Just goes to show, if it sounds good it is good, and our opinions shouldn’t be swayed by how much something costs.

Very true. Sometimes it's best to ignore the tech specs and trust your ears. There's currently no meter that can measure taste and preference.

[Arpangel]

I loved the REX50 reverbs and delays on guitar. The other effects weren't great but I still regret parting with it.

Just goes to show, if it sounds good it is good, and our opinions shouldn’t be swayed by how much something costs.

Very true. Sometimes it's best to ignore the tech specs and trust your ears. There's currently no meter that can measure taste and preference.

Especially with things like effects, maybe recording gear is different though, but saying that, things have got so good now, it’s not an issue, and choice is based on facilities.
Things like reverbs for me, if I’m given the choice I can get quite obsessive, but also, if I don’t have a choice, I'll just use what's available, and be just as happy.

[tea for two]

Been doing an Adagio/Elegy for my albuume.
Softly played Trumpets, Flutes, Violas, Celli still too strident as it were.
ChromaVerb bundled with Logic just wiggling its output EQ ModSpeed ModSource ModDepth Predelay Decay Density Reflections : that's more it ethereal with just enuff bite.

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Bricasti free download has 268 presets. Yikes! A lot for me to get my head around in Logic's SpaceDesigner. Gonna leave it for now.