Laptop PSUs - I just don't get it!

For anything relating to music-making on Windows computers, with lots of FAQs. Moderated by Martin Walker.

Re: Laptop PSUs - I just don't get it!

Post by Drew Stephenson »

Hugh Robjohns wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:01 pm GaN is just a semiconductor technology that produces less heat, making it useful in chargers (and LEDs)... but using GaN doesn't guarantee PPS compatibility.

The Belkin website lists these chargers as PPS compatible (and I dont think it includes the one you found):

https://www.belkin.com/uk/products/char ... rt=0&sz=24

A frustrating lack of detail in the specs. Typically the only one that appears to meet the Elf's line-lump requirement appears to be the most expensive one. :roll:

The Anker site is no better.
User avatar
Drew Stephenson
Apprentice Guru
Posts: 29715 Joined: Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:00 am Location: York
(The forumuser formerly known as Blinddrew)
Ignore the post count, I have no idea what I'm doing...
https://drewstephenson.bandcamp.com/

Re: Laptop PSUs - I just don't get it!

Post by The Elf »

Thanks all. Input appreciated, as always. :thumbup:

I think I'll head for Drew's suggestion. If it works it's the one that appeals to me most.

I'll leave it for now until past Christmas...
User avatar
The Elf
Forum Aficionado
Posts: 21434 Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:00 am Location: Sheffield, UK
An Eagle for an Emperor, A Kestrel for a Knave.

Re: Laptop PSUs - I just don't get it!

Post by The Elf »

Ah, I missed the two posts above.

This is a pain. I really don't have space at the back of my rack power strips for anything other than a 'normal' UK plug. That has to be my starting point - or I'm looking at ghastly power extensions.

I'm going to have to sit and think about this. At least now I understand the issue in part.

It's ridiculous to think I have perfectly capable PSUs that this new 'clever' system makes useless. Crazy.
User avatar
The Elf
Forum Aficionado
Posts: 21434 Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:00 am Location: Sheffield, UK
An Eagle for an Emperor, A Kestrel for a Knave.

Re: Laptop PSUs - I just don't get it!

Post by Hugh Robjohns »

This is just the never ending march of technology — in this case for more efficient battery charging with a longer working life.

I'm sure we've all got perfectly capable PSUs from old technology in drawers or boxes that can't be plugged into new technology...

It must be possible to get hold of the LG original as a replacement part, or a similar style unit under a different brand name... albeit at some expense.
User avatar
Hugh Robjohns
Moderator
Posts: 43691 Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:00 am Location: Worcestershire, UK
Technical Editor, Sound On Sound...
(But generally posting my own personal views and not necessarily those of SOS, the company or the magazine!)
In my world, things get less strange when I read the manual... 

Re: Laptop PSUs - I just don't get it!

Post by tea for two »

The Elf wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 7:20 pm
I'm going to have to sit and think about this. At least now I understand the issue in part.

I'm just not getting the head scratching. :think: Hugh and I both mentioned two named 100W PPS chargers. I even quoted our posts so that's 2x mentioned.
tea for two
Frequent Poster
Posts: 4009 Joined: Sun Mar 24, 2002 12:00 am

Re: Laptop PSUs - I just don't get it!

Post by BWC »

The Elf wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 7:20 pm ...or I'm looking at ghastly power extensions.

but...

The Elf wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 10:46 am The box in the middle is less of a problem to ne.

Why is a wall wart with a short extension worse than a line lump?
BWC
Frequent Poster
Posts: 901 Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:12 am Location: FL, US
BWC

Re: Laptop PSUs - I just don't get it!

Post by Wonks »

Elf said above that this has got to fit into a socket strip facing forwards at the back of his rack. There’s space for a standard 13A UK plug, but anything much deeper will interfere with the rack equipment/XLRs and TRS jacks plugged into the equipment.
User avatar
Wonks
Jedi Poster
Posts: 19208 Joined: Thu May 29, 2003 12:00 am Location: Freethorpe, Norfolk, UK
Reliably fallible.

Re: Laptop PSUs - I just don't get it!

Post by BWC »

Right, but why would the plug on a short extension be any deeper than a standard plug?
BWC
Frequent Poster
Posts: 901 Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:12 am Location: FL, US
BWC

Re: Laptop PSUs - I just don't get it!

Post by James Perrett »

BWC wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 11:18 pm Right, but why would the plug on a short extension be any deeper than a standard plug?

I'm guessing that, if Elf's rack is anything like some of mine, there's a 1U high gap where he could fit a power supply but anything higher won't fit. Wall warts on a socket tend to take up 3-4U.
User avatar
James Perrett
Moderator
Posts: 16988 Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:00 am Location: The wilds of Hampshire
JRP Music - Audio Mastering and Restoration. JRP Music Facebook Page

Re: Laptop PSUs - I just don't get it!

Post by BWC »

James Perrett wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 11:52 pm
BWC wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 11:18 pm Right, but why would the plug on a short extension be any deeper than a standard plug?

I'm guessing that, if Elf's rack is anything like some of mine, there's a 1U high gap where he could fit a power supply but anything higher won't fit. Wall warts on a socket tend to take up 3-4U.

That makes sense, but all Elf said about it (so far) was that a box in the middle is less of a problem, so can only guess about space available for the "box" (or needed length of extension).
BWC
Frequent Poster
Posts: 901 Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:12 am Location: FL, US
BWC

Re: Laptop PSUs - I just don't get it!

Post by illegal colors »

The Elf wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 7:20 pm It's ridiculous to think I have perfectly capable PSUs that this new 'clever' system makes useless. Crazy.

LG claims that your laptop can play video for 20 hours on a fully charged 80Wh battery. It doesn't need that much power to work. It didn't work with your Dell charger for some reason, it doesn't mean it won't work with your other chargers. At least try to be nice to the environment. Save the planet. It depends on people like you to do the right thing.

Good luck.
illegal colors
Regular
Posts: 110 Joined: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:00 am Location: USA

Re: Laptop PSUs - I just don't get it!

Post by James Perrett »

This one looks possible if you use a Euro extender lead as the Euro connector doesn't stick out so effectively turns it into an in-line PSU.

https://cpc.farnell.com/verbatim/32203/ ... dp/PW05804

used with its European connector connected to

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394802590906

with one of the UK to European adaptors like this

https://cpc.farnell.com/unbranded/pcp-b ... dp/PW00900
User avatar
James Perrett
Moderator
Posts: 16988 Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:00 am Location: The wilds of Hampshire
JRP Music - Audio Mastering and Restoration. JRP Music Facebook Page

Re: Laptop PSUs - I just don't get it!

Post by The Elf »

illegal colors wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 12:53 am
The Elf wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 7:20 pm It's ridiculous to think I have perfectly capable PSUs that this new 'clever' system makes useless. Crazy.

LG claims that your laptop can play video for 20 hours on a fully charged 80Wh battery. It doesn't need that much power to work. It didn't work with your Dell charger for some reason, it doesn't mean it won't work with your other chargers. At least try to be nice to the environment. Save the planet. It depends on people like you to do the right thing.

All of my chargers are identical. I bought them as a batch.

I'm trying to do the right thing, but PPS seems intent on forcing me to do otherwise!
User avatar
The Elf
Forum Aficionado
Posts: 21434 Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:00 am Location: Sheffield, UK
An Eagle for an Emperor, A Kestrel for a Knave.

Re: Laptop PSUs - I just don't get it!

Post by The Elf »

James Perrett wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:07 am This one looks possible if you use a Euro extender lead as the Euro connector doesn't stick out so effectively turns it into an in-line PSU....

Thank you. Not my ideal, but will keep in mind...
User avatar
The Elf
Forum Aficionado
Posts: 21434 Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:00 am Location: Sheffield, UK
An Eagle for an Emperor, A Kestrel for a Knave.

Re: Laptop PSUs - I just don't get it!

Post by Hugh Robjohns »

The Elf wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 7:22 amAll of my chargers are identical. I bought them as a batch.

So the real issue here is that you bought a new laptop which is completely incompatible with your existing chargers... :lol:
User avatar
Hugh Robjohns
Moderator
Posts: 43691 Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:00 am Location: Worcestershire, UK
Technical Editor, Sound On Sound...
(But generally posting my own personal views and not necessarily those of SOS, the company or the magazine!)
In my world, things get less strange when I read the manual... 

Re: Laptop PSUs - I just don't get it!

Post by The Elf »

:lol:

And you may recall that my previous (sadly demised) laptop was incompatible with the PSUs I had before that. Which is when I bought this last batch... :roll:

Isn't it good that PSUs have been standardised to USB-C to prevent wastage and land-fill?!

Lovely, lovely PSUs. I like them so much that I now own around 40 of them in a tub, plus a 'universal' kit that has everything I could ever need - apart from USB-C...
User avatar
The Elf
Forum Aficionado
Posts: 21434 Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:00 am Location: Sheffield, UK
An Eagle for an Emperor, A Kestrel for a Knave.
Post Reply