The Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread #3

[DGL.]

Well as pictures start coming in from NAMM attendees, just like no one expected the Spanish Inquisition, no one expected there to be a Behringer BX1!!!

Image linked from Gearspace.com


More pictures here, https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... count=1107
Looks like it might be a working prototype too, not just a mock up.

Edit: even more pictures,
https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... count=1121
definatly has headphones connected so must beat least somewhat functional, retaining the LED displays is nice and it seems they've added analogue filter(s?) for more sound shaping posibilities.

[ken long]

Yes, their JP8 and Prophet 10 were also on display. Saw pics on twitter but can't find them now.

[DGL.]

And to add to the previous post, the BX1 is a mostly working prototype, only the built in effects don't work yet. It has 32 voices and therefore 32 CS80 style filters with an LFO and envelopes. Release is planned for next year and will be "affordable".
Sonicstate have a video on it,
https://youtu.be/MqVBw6Zt774?si=nzmps77-Ewb176QQ

Also there's a firmware update released today for the LM Drum which adds tuning for all sounds, amongst some other things, and bug fixes.

[Hugh Robjohns]

Interesting blend in the BX1. Not sure what I make of that, yet, but at least it's inventive...

[The Elf]

I was fooled. It looks more Yamaha than Yamaha. It's appallingly 1980s in style. Lots of mud brown! Ugh!

Also not sure what to make of it. It would take a lot to get me again interested in FM synthesis beyond Dexed, FM8 and my K2700's import feature.

[BJG145]

That BX1 looks brave but foolish?!

There was a DX5 on view at the last Synth East, and it was a beast. I wouldn't have thought there would be much demand, but I guess they know what they're doing. It's a worthy cause.

[DGL.]

Another little titbit from watching other videos on the BX1 is that it has a panel mounted SD card slot as a way to load patches, in a nod to the memory/RAM cards the DX range used to have (and yes, it is DX sysex compatible).
Also they've added extra 7 segment displays for the analogue filter which is nice, you can put the LP filter into 24db mode, there is a DAC emulation mode so you can choose between a "pristine" DAC sound or one that emulates the 12bit DAC of the DX7/1 and there is indeed 32 DAC's.

It seems to be a pretty complex synth and I'm surprised they didn't go for emulated/digital filters as that would have saved a lot of complexity as you wouldn't need 32 DAC's or all the CV control for the analogue filters.

Lastly here's a new sounds only video from sonicstate, sounding pretty good to my ears,

https://youtu.be/vUtcplu6KTs

[BillB]

£8190 for “A 'LINNDRUM' LM-2 ANALOG DRUM MACHINE”

Someone got conned…

Guess it should go without saying that they weren't buying just a Linndrum.

True, it seems they were buying an analog drum machine as well.

To be fair, I get what you’re saying. I adore Jeff Beck’s music and can see why somebody would want a part of that history.

[Arpangel]

Well as pictures start coming in from NAMM attendees, just like no one expected the Spanish Inquisition, no one expected there to be a Behringer BX1!!!

Image linked from Gearspace.com


More pictures here, https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... count=1107
Looks like it might be a working prototype too, not just a mock up.

Edit: even more pictures,
https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... count=1121
definatly has headphones connected so must beat least somewhat functional, retaining the LED displays is nice and it seems they've added analogue filter(s?) for more sound shaping posibilities.

My God, a proper keyboard too.

[DGL.]

Well as pictures start coming in from NAMM attendees, just like no one expected the Spanish Inquisition, no one expected there to be a Behringer BX1!!!

Image linked from Gearspace.com


More pictures here, https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... count=1107
Looks like it might be a working prototype too, not just a mock up.

Edit: even more pictures,
https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... count=1121
definatly has headphones connected so must beat least somewhat functional, retaining the LED displays is nice and it seems they've added analogue filter(s?) for more sound shaping posibilities.

My God, a proper keyboard too.

She's a beauty isn't she, proper 80's retro look which she wears well.
And naturally the keybed has polyphonic aftertouch as well.

[Arpangel]

It is a beauty, and I’ll have to have one, if it ever appears, in my lifetime.

[DGL.]

It is a beauty, and I’ll have to have one, if it ever appears, in my lifetime.

Next year (2026) is the planned release.

[Arpangel]

It is a beauty, and I’ll have to have one, if it ever appears, in my lifetime.

Next year (2026) is the planned release.

When Behringer says "planned release" in anyone else’s language that would be "it's in the concept stage" and when you’re my age and state of health "next year" may not exist. I'm only interested in "now"
The VCS3 saga is a perfect example of all this.

[ramthelinefeed]

Interesting blend in the BX1. Not sure what I make of that, yet, but at least it's inventive...

It's what the Yamaha Corporation's lawyers will make of it that interests me. Could this be the one that finally lands Uli Behringer in jail?

[N i g e l]

FM patents lapsed last century & the extensions for FMx will probably have lapsed when the Behringer comes out.

[Arpangel]

Is there any copyright on green and brown?



This keyboard, though, already has a space here, it’s a no brainer for me.

[Drew Stephenson]

Is there any copyright on green and brown?

I know you're being tongue-in-cheek but some territories do have 'design rights' however they tend to be much shorter durations (typically no longer than 25 years if I remember correctly) and do tend to be very specific.

[Arpangel]

Let’s see how it goes, we probably won't until about 2027 if we’re lucky, and are musicians in general looking for something they never even played in the first place, or even care about.

[N i g e l]

This is about owning the past, emulating your idols, not about cutting edge 21st C sound design.

checkout the NAMM videos on utube, or not, "YAWN" , because
it sounds like a DX7

This one took me by surprise because these days, there are an infinite ways to DX.
Even a MODX [without the +] could whip this BX1s rear panel to oblivion.

Im am assuming the 90s neon colours are to stimulate controversy, and will revert to the earthy, eco, brown and green [ ] before mass production.

Is there any copyright on green and brown?

I know you're being tongue-in-cheek but some territories do have 'design rights' however they tend to be much shorter durations (typically no longer than 25 years if I remember correctly) and do tend to be very specific.

Probably not even thought about at the time, back in the day.
The 808 drum machine is way past protecting anything electro but recently the "style" was protected for use on clothing and shoes.

Independent 808 Tshirts do exist though....

[ramthelinefeed]

Is there any copyright on green and brown?

I know you're being tongue-in-cheek but some territories do have 'design rights' however they tend to be much shorter durations (typically no longer than 25 years if I remember correctly) and do tend to be very specific.

there is also a more general 'tort' about 'passing off'. The fact is that, as anyone reasonable person can agree, Behringer is deliberately designing kit whose selling point is precisely that it looks like other manufacturer's kit, and trades on their kudos. Thus potentially making people buy Behringer's stuff instead of the original manufacturer's. This is manifestly true, you just need a lawyer with the chops to nail them with it.

[Arpangel]

Is there any copyright on green and brown?

I know you're being tongue-in-cheek but some territories do have 'design rights' however they tend to be much shorter durations (typically no longer than 25 years if I remember correctly) and do tend to be very specific.

there is also a more general 'tort' about 'passing off'. The fact is that, as anyone reasonable person can agree, Behringer is deliberately designing kit whose selling point is precisely that it looks like other manufacturer's kit, and trades on their kudos. Thus potentially making people buy Behringer's stuff instead of the original manufacturer's. This is manifestly true, you just need a lawyer with the chops to nail them with it.

But does all that apply to things that aren’t being produced anymore? therefore not depriving the originator of any income.

[BillB]

Behringer is deliberately designing kit whose selling point is precisely that it looks like other manufacturer's kit, and trades on their kudos. Thus potentially making people buy Behringer's stuff instead of the original manufacturer's. This is manifestly true, you just need a lawyer with the chops to nail them with it.

Well, the first bit is absolutely true; the second bit "potentially making people buy Behringer's stuff instead of the original manufacturer's" - erm, what kit? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the DX1 hasn't been made for best part of 40 years.

[ramthelinefeed]

Dude, that's not the way you play the litigation game!

[N i g e l]

"potentially making people buy Behringer's stuff instead of the original manufacturer's" - erm, what kit? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the DX1 hasn't been made for best part of 40 years.

Thats true Bill but luckily for Ramy, there is a second hand original available - with 38% off !

https://reverb.com/uk/item/82194229-dir ... -dx-1-1983

[BillB]

Ha, for some reason it didn’t sell at £85k. Maybe they’ll have better luck at the discounted price