Eventide H90

[Arpangel]

Can't make up my mind about this, have Eventide run their course? is this just another attempt at sustaining a market presence, like so many manufacturers do, without making anything genuinely new and interesting.
Effects, did they reach a peak many years ago? what can they possibly do now that's in any way new? When I think of Eventide the H3000 springs to mind, it was their peak, this unit is still popular and commands high prices, think Porsche and it's the 911, forget everything else, it’s the same for the H3000.
But all this doesn’t stop me from wanting an H90, from what I've heard, it's interesting, and to me personally, it "seems" to have all the algorithms I like, like it was made for me, tape emulation and lo-fi stuff, all my favourite H3000 sounds (but not as big and dirty)
I think I may get one, I can always return it, but I don’t think that will happen, or I could get an H3000 at an inflated price, with all the unreliability and transformer hum that goes with it, or there’s the plug-in version, but somehow that just doesn’t work for me, with this unit.
The bottom line, will the H90 scratch my H3000 itch?

[SafeandSound Mastering]

I recently updated to the latest H3000 plug in MK II and feel it was a good upgrade. Try it if you have not understood it was updated yet. It has some of the pitching/thickening presets of the original which I am more interested in than some of the other effects. (I have other Eventide plug ins like Blackhole, their UltraReverb etc. none bought at full price.) MK II H3000 looks better, sounds a little different, modelled the ADC/DAC, updated the code.

https://store.eventideaudio.com/en-uk/p ... obIRB68p-V

If I had not purchased the original Factory for a very good price in the past I most likely would not have upgraded to the latest version as it is not low cost. As I am enjoying 90s style productions at the moment it fits in very nicely.

I am using it in a track on the go now for thickening a few sounds and 90s-ization. Track is progressing extremely slowly though, and that's fine, workload, life, ideas and inspiration dictate the pace of music making here.

Give the MK II demo a whirl first ? Pedal style is a totally different workflow and would never suit me at the moment or the music I do so you will know yourself what you need or want to try.

[Arpangel]

I recently updated to the latest H3000 plug in MK II and feel it was a good upgrade. Try it if you have not understood it was updated yet. It has some of the pitching/thickening presets of the original which I am more interested in than some of the other effects. (I have other Eventide plug ins like Blackhole, their UltraReverb etc. none bought at full price.) MK II H3000 looks better, sounds a little different, modelled the ADC/DAC, updated the code.

https://store.eventideaudio.com/en-uk/p ... obIRB68p-V

If I had not purchased the original Factory for a very good price in the past I most likely would not have upgraded to the latest version as it is not low cost. As I am enjoying 90s style productions at the moment it fits in very nicely.

I am using it in a track on the go now for thickening a few sounds and 90s-ization. Track is progressing extremely slowly though, and that's fine, workload, life, ideas and inspiration dictate the pace of music making here.

Give the MK II demo a whirl first ? Pedal style is a totally different workflow and would never suit me at the moment or the music I do so you will know yourself what you need or want to try.

Thanks for the info, someone mentioned the plug-in before, but I was scared off by the I-Lock account, but I may give it a go.
You'r right though, it isn't cheap.
I had two H3000's some years back, and sold both, it is amazing how stupid I can be sometimes.

[Arpangel]

On another computer double post, gggrrrr.

[Hugh Robjohns]

Buy twice, sell twice, post twice...

[FrankF]

You could always just buy a pack of their playing cards and pretend you're Eno.
I believe Eno himself does that from time to time.

https://store.eventideaudio.com/en-fr/c ... ying-cards

[Arpangel]

You could always just buy a pack of their playing cards and pretend you're Eno.
I believe Eno himself does that from time to time.

https://store.eventideaudio.com/en-fr/c ... ying-cards

You mean, I pretend to be myself?



Getting back to the H90, I think if I were playing live a lot I'd have bought one ages ago, but, I've got a lot of good plug-in's that go to the same place, all of the Valhalla stuff, that’s incredible, and for some reason I just can't convince myself that the H90 is going to give me anything that I can’t live without.

[resistorman]

I would bet you can get all the sounds you need with free or low cost plugins these days. With Eventide you're paying for the name.

[Arpangel]

I would bet you can get all the sounds you need with free or low cost plugins these days. With Eventide you're paying for the name.

Once upon a time, an Eventide sounded like an Eventide, and you couldn’t get that sound anywhere else, but the world has caught up, and now it's not unique anymore, you can go to these places musically with many alternatives these days, some a lot cheaper.
Now you can get a Lexicon 224, an Eventide style Swept Reverb or Crystal Echoes in pedals costing a couple of hundred or less.
The effects in Reaktor were responsible for me selling my first H3000.

[R_A]

I'm very happy with SoundToys 5.

[Arpangel]

Make Noise Audio have got an Eventide H3000DSE in, I'm not spending anything on an H90 until I’ve made up my mind about that.

[resistorman]

I'm very happy with SoundToys 5.

Me too

[rggillespie]

'I'm very happy with SoundToys 5.'
Couldn't agree more, best plugin I ever bought

[Arpangel]

'I'm very happy with SoundToys 5.'
Couldn't agree more, best plugin I ever bought

Just looked at the Sound Toys Rack, $299

[resistorman]

They have sales occasionally. And when I bought the whole rack, the individual plugins I owned counted towards a discount... don't know if that's still the case.

[Arpangel]

Do you need an I-Lok account for Sound Toys?

[R_A]

Do you need an I-Lok account for Sound Toys?

Yes. Also for Eventide plugs.

[The Elf]

I have software licenses I paid for irretrievably lost because of iLok. I've had to compromise on occasions, but I now don't accept iLok willingly.

If your computer ever crashes and takes your 'on computer' (as opposed to dongle) iLok licenses with it, don't expect much help from iLok or the participating companies...

And if you ever lose your iLok dongle you will find that the iLok manager wants you to plug in the lost dongle to be able to retrieve the lienses that were on it.

[Arpangel]

I have software licenses I paid for irretrievably lost because of iLok. I've had to compromise on occasions, but I now don't accept iLok willingly.

If your computer ever crashes and takes your 'on computer' (as opposed to dongle) iLok licenses with it, don't expect much help from iLok or the participating companies...

And if you ever lose your iLok dongle you will find that the iLok manager wants you to plug in the lost dongle to be able to retrieve the lienses that were on it.

That’s it, I don't think it's a good idea, and do I need these effects that desperately? and potential aggravation? no.

[rggillespie]

Soundtoys do bargain offers occasionally Arpangel I think at Easter time, and they offer a 30 day trial, so you could have a free look to see what you make of it. The complete bundle is $499 currently but I'm sure I got it for 99 or 199 a few years back on sale. The complete bundle is pretty comprehensive. Their design is really well thought through so its easy to navigate your way around but the complexity is there if you need it. Like the Elf I'm no fan of ilok and have lost things I've paid for due to it. I've not had an issue with it and Soundtoys though, I think ilok is cloud based now as I don't have a dongle for it.

[SafeandSound Mastering]

I have software licenses I paid for irretrievably lost because of iLok. I've had to compromise on occasions, but I now don't accept iLok willingly.

If your computer ever crashes and takes your 'on computer' (as opposed to dongle) iLok licenses with it, don't expect much help from iLok or the participating companies...

And if you ever lose your iLok dongle you will find that the iLok manager wants you to plug in the lost dongle to be able to retrieve the lienses that were on it.

That’s it, I don't think it's a good idea, and do I need these effects that desperately? and potential aggravation? no.

The way I look at it is as follows. Firstly, I would like it if iLok dongles did not exist, in this reality today, it does. Along with software produced by the original, authentic companies that have amazing hardware tools that have been heard on hits for 50 years. We now have the original code in the PC/MAC.

I like those tools and I am having those tools. As a pro I want to offer to myself for the enjoyment of ownership and clients the best possible tools, authentic and true as far as possible to the originals. So I use iLok.

I briefly summarize the cost of some of the tools that use iLok as costing something like £50,000.00 in hardware form. That includes, Eventide, Lexicon, SoundToys, The Burgess McNeal approved Sontec plug in and many others.

I also get to use most on a hobby music making machine adding extra value.

If I had to replace all of them it would be less than £1,500.00 in total maybe less than £800.00 if I awaited Black Friday/sales etc.

There is absolutely no way I am missing out on using them, that is the way I see it. There are simply tools that sound better than others that happen to use iLok, not always, but often. I do not have many luxuries in life really, like many routinely do, but I am having my favourite software.

[Arpangel]

I have software licenses I paid for irretrievably lost because of iLok. I've had to compromise on occasions, but I now don't accept iLok willingly.

If your computer ever crashes and takes your 'on computer' (as opposed to dongle) iLok licenses with it, don't expect much help from iLok or the participating companies...

And if you ever lose your iLok dongle you will find that the iLok manager wants you to plug in the lost dongle to be able to retrieve the lienses that were on it.

That’s it, I don't think it's a good idea, and do I need these effects that desperately? and potential aggravation? no.

The way I look at it is as follows. Firstly, I would like it if iLok dongles did not exist, in this reality today, it does. Along with software produced by the original, authentic companies that have amazing hardware tools that have been heard on hits for 50 years. We now have the original code in the PC/MAC.

I like those tools and I am having those tools. As a pro I want to offer to myself for the enjoyment of ownership and clients the best possible tools, authentic and true as far as possible to the originals. So I use iLok.

I briefly summarize the cost of some of the tools that use iLok as costing something like £50,000.00 in hardware form. That includes, Eventide, Lexicon, SoundToys, The Burgess McNeal approved Sontec plug in and many others.

I also get to use most on a hobby music making machine adding extra value.

If I had to replace all of them it would be less than £1,500.00 in total maybe less than £800.00 if I awaited Black Friday/sales etc.

There is absolutely no way I am missing out on using them, that is the way I see it. There are simply tools that sound better than others that happen to use iLok, not always, but often. I do not have many luxuries in life really, like many routinely do, but I am having my favourite software.

I have, and never will, get over my phobia of software being "nothing" where is it? I can't hold it, it’s not a tangible "thing" that I've just paid hundreds of pounds for, then, there’s the issues of platform support, and incompatibility in the future, OK, it may not happen soon, but it will happen, a piece of hardware can be repaired, and potentially last a lifetime, if the parts are still available.
I'll never forget the day I bought Komplete, Reason, and all the Arturia stuff, it scared me to death, all I had was a few DVD's and some cardboard boxes, now, you don’t even get that!

[Sam Spoons]

I get that, I have a similarly difficult time finding hundreds of pounds of value in a string of ones and zeros. My tactic is to not buy expensive software and use bundled apps in my OS wherever possible and open source and similar for the rest.

[Arpangel]

The software that changed my life, literally, was Reason, not many people use it, but it's totally amazing, the synths and samplers are incredible.
I’ll never regret what I paid for it, it became, my sound.

[Sam Spoons]

And that's the contradiction, we find it easy enough to accept the cost of stuff that benefits us but, with software, you don't know that it does until you have spent some time with it and it is often difficult to return it or sell it on if it doesn't.

FWIW I'm happy with Reaper, recording is just a hobby for me and I've realised I'm not especially good at it but I do enjoy playing with the gear and playing the music so that's fine.