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Simple Guitarist needs DIY Studio Advice!

Post by RGM »

I could use some help assessing and improving the sound of my DIY studio.

It was initially built as a garage but was partitioned and converted to a workshop/homestudio.

The whole thing is concrete slab with 4x2 construction, 100mm Rockwool RW3 Acoustic insulations (all walls, ceilings, partition) and OSB sheets on the inside.

I used any left over OSB & Rockwool to make a few acoustic panels/cloud.

I didn’t have much choice on room size/shape or materials and had to work with what I could afford so the final music room dimensions are essentially a studio faux pas - despite 25 years of reading SOS I’ve ended up with low-ceilinged Square! [interior dimensions approx L3.9m x W3.7m x H2.2m]

Volume attenuation is pretty good, you can hear drums & guitars from outside but really not very loud, certainly not enough to bother anyone. Temperature control is good and usable all year round with a small electric radiator in the cold months.

It sounds reasonably dead inside, though predictably a little ‘boxy’ when using condenser mics on drums and acoustic guitars. Not terribly flattering but not quite ‘dead’ enough either. As well as the boxy sounding top end I’m not quite sure I’m hearing enough low end in the room to judge it very well and don’t know if it’s the room, the monitor position, or all of the above!

I’m aiming to achieve a dry, neutral sound that doesn’t need to be squashed too much with corrective EQ and that can have extra/improved ambience added later if required. An improvement on mixing accuracy would be nice too, though after decades of loud guitar amps and drummers on stages I am under no illusion that I have the hearing of a Bat and can to spot an errant frequency at 100 yards…working demo mixes are about all I’m good for and I’d use someone with better ears to do things properly should the need arise. That said, I don’t want to be sending out stems that are poorly recorded or have too much of the wrong room sound if it can be avoided with some simple or obvious fixes.

Most things I read about room treatments focus on bass traps, controlling reflections and assume a traditional house type construction of plasterboard or plastered brick walls etc. whereas I’m guessing that in my build, the bass frequencies are free to depart anytime they like as they only have to defeat 11mm of OSB and a bit of rock wool.

Further, I don’t know if the textured surface of the OSB acts as some sort of diffuser, or is a bad choice that could be improved upon.

I have borrowed a Behringer reference mic to use with REW software but am a bit confused by the whole process and haven’t got around to it yet.

Forgive the basic questions (I’m only a guitar player):

Does a room like this need more bass traps - or less?
Do I need more reflective surfaces or less?
Do I need more absorption/diffusion or less?
Concrete floor good or bad?
Better to record instruments adjacent to the less reflective acoustic panel wall and mix at the more reflective OSB walls - or the other way round?

Hoping for some general advice/observations from someone who might have a similar setup and any observations or criticisms to kick me in the right direction.

If it was your room, what would you do?

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Post by OneWorld »

I don't know whether it applies in your case, I increasingly get the feeling studios have to be tailor made, but for what it's worth, did you see James' (of this Manor) series regarding the building of his studio, he went into quite some detail.

That said your setup seems to have the makings of a nice space, well done :clap:
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Post by Sam Spoons »

Just a few random thoughts...

If the room sounds 'honky/middley' you need to install absorbers that reduce mid frequencies and reflectors/diffusers to restore some high end (I remember Hugh and Paul sticking CDs on the face of the absorbers in a vocal booth to reintroduce some HF).

I doubt low end will be a problem, as you say the OSB will not be reflecting much of it back into the room, but more bass traps may still be useful.

I record under a ceiling panel as my room has significant flutter echoes between the carpeted floor and plasterboard ceiling in the gaps*. I also add a duvet in a V behind any singers.

* I have the materials to make some more panels but haven't yet done so. I plan to add another 6 in varying sizes to the 7 already in there (plus 3 bass traps) to fill in some of the aforementioned gaps.
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Post by ajay_m »

My attic studio is untreated. I can make some observations based on this. Firstly I found that having the monitors in nearfield configuration produced a very noticeable midrange colouration. I moved them to the wall so that they were about 1.5m from my listening position (which is about half way across the room) and the sound was noticeably better. I put this down to the reflections from the plasterboard wall behind me producing a node at around 160Hz. By moving the speakers this drops to 80Hz which is far less objectionable.
Secondly I can clearly hear that if I stand against the wall opposite the monitors, bass is significantly boosted. This does confirm that bass traps would help. In your environment if bass response doesn't seem sensitive to listening position this may confirm that in fact this isn't a problem for you.
Thirdly I do not have any flutter echo problems (snap fingers in middle of room). This is a nasty problem that would have forced me to treat the room as it imposes really noticeable ringing if present.
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A plan view diagram showing what you've got so far, where the desk, windows, doors etc are and where your likely recording spots will be would be useful.
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Post by James Perrett »

My thoughts...

Can we have more pictures showing the area around your mix position?

Have you tried raising the monitors to reduce desk reflections?
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Apologies for the radio silence, I was ill over the weekend and couldn’t get much done.

Many thanks for all the replies, lots of great ideas to chew on already.

I have sketched out a very rough plan drawing as requested and added a couple of pics of the monitoring position. Due to lots of gigs and fixing equipment etc. the place is a bit of a mess, gear all over the place at the moment but hopefully you can see where everything is.

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Sam Spoons, like you I have fitted a ceiling panel, I put mine on a an old sliding door track so that I can place it above the drum overheads, or slide it along to an area that was supposed to be for recording vocals and acoustic guitars but is now full of all the stuff I can’t fit anywhere else!
Your point about absorbers/diffusers tuning things a bit could be key, it’s not quite a honky sounding space but still seems a bit harsh in the top end, especially with louder sources, snare, cymbals, and steel string acoustic. No prob with close mixing amps though, and vocals are done with a reflection filter, usually under a cloud and ok so far.

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ajay_m, I don’t seem to be getting any flutter echoes and the bass seems fairly consistent wherever I go in the room so hopefully I’m getting away with it re bass trapping!

James, the monitor placement is most certainly not ideal as the height was set by whatever scrap wood I had left to make stands with (!) however I got lucky and rescued a lovely old Canford Audio broadcast desk (and lectern) from a skip.
It has a perforated top covered in sound absorbing material and cloth and, I think, is designed to minimise reflections for radio/voiceover etc. Hopefully desktop reflections shouldn’t be too much of an issue.

Have included some pics of monitoring position, and of the desk for reference as I hadn’t seen one before, all taken before I filled the room with every conceivable piece of music related junk I'd hoarded over the years.

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Is the grey wall with pine slats all fabric fronted rockwool?

WRT ceiling clouds I'd add at least a couple more, I have 4 and am planning to add 2 off 4' x 2' and 1 smaller one along with two more 4' x 2' and 3 smaller ones on the walls.

If the room starts to sound dull then some reflection/diffraction is indicated, possibly on the front of some of the panels.

You can never have enough bass trapping in a small room...
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Yes that's right, that whole wall is fabric covered rock wool.
I'll look at making a few more clouds and panels when time allows.
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I'd be tempted to add some more ceiling treatment and also something on the front wall to the side of the speakers. It looks like it might be difficult to treat the mirror points as one of them is going to be the door but, if it is possible, it might help.
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Should be able to hand a rockwool panel off the back of the door? The ceiling/wall corners can be used for angled bass trapping without losing much useful space as well.
I recall reading about one studio set-up in SOS where the owner had installed wooden venetian blinds in front of some of the absorbers so they could easily be switched between reflecting and absorbing surfaces.
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That';s a clever solution and the beauty of that approach is that the panels still absorb the mids as, the blinds will only reflect the Highs and maybe High Mids.
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The blinds idea is great, they're always to be found up at the local recycling centre for a £ or two. I am pricing up some more ply & rock wool and will take the plunge with some more treatment.
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RGM wrote: Mon Mar 31, 2025 4:05 pm ...I got lucky and rescued a lovely old Canford Audio broadcast desk (and lectern) from a skip.
It has a perforated top covered in sound absorbing material and cloth and, I think, is designed to minimise reflections for radio/voiceover etc. Hopefully desktop reflections shouldn’t be too much of an issue.

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That perforated desk is indeed a great find, as so many of us suffer with desk reflections at the mixing position.

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