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Room treatment help for recording piano + a vocal booth

Post by pp-piano »

Hi folks!

I was working with an engineer to set-up a home studio space - they took the deposit and are on a very long vacation. We figured out the best layout and found the 'sweet spot' but then they disappeared when it came time to figure out the treatment.

Lightning doesn't strike twice right - so definitely for someone who can help me remotely, if anyone has any referrals. I'm utterly useless at DIY stuff...

So what I need is:
A vocal booth
Treatment for recording piano (I don't know if I need to think of anything special here?
General room treatment, I'll be using it to do rough mixes - but nothing final

Basically I'm most concerned about being able to capture the best possible quality for both piano + vocals.

Let me know! I'd love to find someone freelance who can help me remotely. Trying to be recording in September.

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Re: Room treatment help for recording piano + a vocal booth

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Unless it's large, (which is rare for a home studio), we here would normally question the need for a dedicated vocal booth. A well treated corner of your studio, maybe with a moveable absorbing panel behind you, is generally a far better solution unless you are determined to record vocals live along with a band.

Vocal booths, unless large, can end up sounding boxy. And a large vocal booth detrimentally eats into your studio space.

If you have external noise issues, which is why you want a booth, then you are going to have issues when recording piano.
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Have you tried contacting GIK acoustics? If you want to purchase the acoustic materials rather than go the DIY route (especially given the time frame), they are very helpful and can offer you different solutions based on your budget.
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Post by Drew Stephenson »

What Wonks said ^^^.

A rough guide for a vocal booth is that the total outside footprint needs to be at least twice the internal floorspace. And if you keep that internal floorspace small then you need to start thinking about temperature control and air exchange pretty quickly (as well as whether it's actually a nice place to perform).

In terms of the piano, it will depend on how lively the room is and how nice it sounds. Bear in mind also that the lower notes on a piano have very long wave lengths so a decent amount of bass trapping will likely be required.
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Re: Room treatment help for recording piano + a vocal booth

Post by pp-piano »

Thank you everyone!

So it sounds like panels and some bass traps is the way to go, with a corner with extra isolation for the vocals. In general - my room is actually pretty quiet, which is lucky!

I've not contacted GIK acoustics - they look great. I'm gonna drop them a line now :)

Super appreciate it!
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Re: Room treatment help for recording piano + a vocal booth

Post by Hugh Robjohns »

Unfortunately, this version of forum software doesn't support Mind-Meld v3.2, so all the critically important information you thought transferred via telepathy into the forum hasn't made it out to the readers. :lol:

So, instead, perhaps you could adopt the old-fashioned practice of writing stuff down...?

Things like:

Where in the world are you?

How big is your studio? (Floor dimensions and height.)

Construction details (stud walls, brick? Ceiling, floor Etc)

Is this a separate building or a room in a house?

What floor surfaces? Any existing acoustic treatment?

Why specify a vocal booth, and what size (internal/external)?

Is this a pure recording space or is it also the mix room?

What kind of piano?

What kind of music?

What plans /designs did your previous consultant provide?

What budget is available?

What time scale for completion?

.... and anything else that might help people to offer informed and relevant advice and suggestions.
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Hugh Robjohns wrote: Fri Aug 15, 2025 10:40 am Unfortunately, this version of forum software doesn't support Mind-Meld v3.2, so all the critically important information you thought transferred via telepathy into the forum hasn't made it out to the readers. :lol:

To be fair to the OP, they were asking for an acoustic consultant to do the acoustic treatment rather than get help directly from the forum.

And I refuse to install the current Mind-Meld v3.1 as I really don't want to know just what Arpangel is thinking!
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Re: Room treatment help for recording piano + a vocal booth

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Wonks wrote: Fri Aug 15, 2025 11:04 am And I refuse to install the current Mind-Meld v3.1 as I really don't want to know just what Arpangel is thinking!

At least it would be more interesting than the 404 error you'd get if you tried it on me! :D
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Drew Stephenson wrote: Fri Aug 15, 2025 1:54 pm
Wonks wrote: Fri Aug 15, 2025 11:04 am And I refuse to install the current Mind-Meld v3.1 as I really don't want to know just what Arpangel is thinking!

At least it would be more interesting than the 404 error you'd get if you tried it on me! :D

I actually got a 417 error - expectation failed. ;)
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Re: Room treatment help for recording piano + a vocal booth

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Drew Stephenson wrote: Fri Aug 15, 2025 3:02 pmImage

Oh, yes, that accords very closely with my memories of using Windows - about that time, too (XP era). By dint of aggressively pursued ignorance of the workings of MacOs I’ve had a peaceful life since and lovely developers have tended to come up with perfectly useful software practically before I perceive the need for it.

Just to push the off-topic feel so typical of forum discussions a little further, I can reveal that one of the seeds of discontent with windows goes back to the days when Windows was just on the way in. I had to type in, check, compile and link a Fortran program (you know, the language that sent a satellite or two into the black beyond thanks to its uncheckability) to link our TI mini system at work to a DG machine running production scheduling, as the PC software they provided wouldn’t run on our not-quite-IBM-compatible PCs.

I couldn’t, and wouldn’t, do it now, but at a time in my life when my brain was admired for its knowledge of all sorts of random stuff I spent some time actually reading manuals I’d hoped never to open, and pulled off this feat. Finding Windows to be even more trouble, I moved to Mac soon after and stopped taking computers to bits. They and I are much happier!

But back on topic, I’d try to arrange not to have an actual vocal booth. Whether you have a treated corner or just wheel out a load of stuff into the middle of your room when you do vocals, I’m practically sure (I say, who head off to a church or hall to record normally) that the more space you keep available for the piano, the better.

My own real piano is an inherited Bluthner model 2 7’6” grand. Back in the day they used to say “Steinway for the concert hall, Bechstein for the theatre, and Bluthner for the home”. Why? Because home pianos are generally in smaller rooms with more soft furnishings. Bluthners have a fourth, unstruck string above each treble string to put back some of the brightness lost in confined spaces.

I think your piano tone is likely to be a much bigger issue than vocals, and a small booth is akin to those adverts you used to get in comics advertising “throw your voice” with a picture of astonished passengers on a rail platform listening to an unattended Samsonite …

Just my two, er, groats-worth.
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