Steve Hill wrote:Having just today sold an outboard Lexicon 480L, and still having a couple of other outboard reverbs, plus all the UAD ones running on DSP, I would never say convolution reverbs, at their present state of development, can answer all your prayers.
You can get decent results... but you have to work very hard for spectacular!
There's a reason why people still pay £4,000 for a new Bricasti... it's better than what Cubase chuck in as a freebie.
you sold it !!! nooooooooo! I'd have had that! bummer
I actually really like the original Roomworks supplied with Cubase SX3! Although, since starting to use the new Lexicon Native Bundle, I genuinely couldn't imagine being without it. Simply superb.
Apart from decent convos I have only come across a handful of quality algorithmic reverbs. Aether is quite good as I use it for teahcing a couple of my students but my vote goes to Softube TSAR-1. It's what I call a proper 'stereo' reverb and sounds lush. I have before and after audio files that I created for my book and it always suprises people when I send the files to them. They always comment on the 'lushness' of the reverb and how natural and shiney it sounds. As everyone knows I love a bit o' lush.
Phil Reynolds wrote:I actually really like the original Roomworks supplied with Cubase SX3! Although, since starting to use the new Lexicon Native Bundle, I genuinely couldn't imagine being without it. Simply superb.
Indeed - for those of us without the dosh for a s/h 480, the Lex bundle is just lovely. I still use a TC M2000 outboard (less lush, which can be useful) but Logic's own verbs rarely get much use round here. They're OK ... but slap the Lex on instead, and the difference is, very clearly, extremely audible.
Phil Reynolds wrote:I actually really like the original Roomworks supplied with Cubase SX3! Although, since starting to use the new Lexicon Native Bundle, I genuinely couldn't imagine being without it. Simply superb.
Indeed - for those of us without the dosh for a s/h 480, the Lex bundle is just lovely. I still use a TC M2000 outboard (less lush, which can be useful) but Logic's own verbs rarely get much use round here. They're OK ... but slap the Lex on instead, and the difference is, very clearly, extremely audible.
Yes, yes and yes. Lexicon is my fave by far. Although the Aether has it's uses for the more weird effects.
tomafd wrote:Indeed - for those of us without the dosh for a s/h 480, the Lex bundle is just lovely.
The thing to do with the Lex is to grab the Hall, pick a large preset (say one of the large halls), crank up the reverb time to 150secs or more and a high reverb level, and hold some notes on your source (eg a synth pad or something) - when you stop playing, the sound just... continues. The Lex reverb is so beautifully smooth that it just seems like the source keeps going, without really changing in character at all. It's amazing.
tomafd wrote:Indeed - for those of us without the dosh for a s/h 480, the Lex bundle is just lovely.
The thing to do with the Lex is to grab the Hall, pick a large preset (say one of the large halls), crank up the reverb time to 150secs or more and a high reverb level, and hold some notes on your source (eg a synth pad or something) - when you stop playing, the sound just... continues. The Lex reverb is so beautifully smooth that it just seems like the source keeps going, without really changing in character at all. It's amazing.
Not many software reverbs are that good.
YES!!!
Been doing this with some distorted vocals. It just keeps on going and sounding lush aaalllllll the way.
I have to be honest, it's probably one of the plug in's which has really really wowed me and made me think, its worth every penny.
Keef R. wrote:Logic and Cubase (and others)have convolution reverb's built in (and include some other reverbs too)and they both sound great. Sure some offer plug ins have additional controls, but it seems that the pre,post tail, decay and wet/dry controls are usually enough. Are reverbs like Aether that much better to justify getting them as well?
If so, is the quality that much better or just different? I know the Lexicon reverb plug in has that "character of lexicon" but besides that one, I was just curious.
Its funny you should pick out reverb plugins as they perhaps have the greatest difference in quality of all the essential effects. Most are absolutely terrible, and this includes waves, roomworks, sonnox...
The lexicon is the best, by some margin, but the aether has a big wide sound which is useful for pads and electronic music. The only cheap one that has any use is the audiodamage eos. Nebula is good but its high on cpu. Static convolution is awful, I really dont understand the enthusiasm for it - is sounds flat, boring and stale.
Convolution reverb is a single snapshot and does not have the modulation matrix you might find in a high-end algorithmic reverb such as (Spam link deleted) or the classic studio reverb units it was modeled on.
desmond wrote:
The thing to do with the Lex is to grab the Hall, pick a large preset (say one of the large halls), crank up the reverb time to 150secs or more and a high reverb level, and hold some notes on your source (eg a synth pad or something) - when you stop playing, the sound just... continues. The Lex reverb is so beautifully smooth that it just seems like the source keeps going, without really changing in character at all. It's amazing.
tomafd wrote:Indeed - for those of us without the dosh for a s/h 480, the Lex bundle is just lovely.
The thing to do with the Lex is to grab the Hall, pick a large preset (say one of the large halls), crank up the reverb time to 150secs or more and a high reverb level, and hold some notes on your source (eg a synth pad or something) - when you stop playing, the sound just... continues. The Lex reverb is so beautifully smooth that it just seems like the source keeps going, without really changing in character at all. It's amazing.
Not many software reverbs are that good.
Yes indeed. A favourite trick of mine is to send synth arpeggios into such a reverb and create evolving chord patterns. Niiiiiice...
The humble original MIDIVerb actually did a good job of this trick - I know at least one guy whose been contemplating buying another to relive those days!
or tell him that his company doesn't make "high end algorithmic reverbs". but rather "algorithmic reverbs". They're alright, they're worth the money - but they ain't high end like VSS3 or Lexicon PCM.
