The Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread #3

[Arpangel]

I had an SH09 too. However it cost me under £100 second hand in the days when a new Juno 60 was still almost £1k, and it was relegated to background sequencer effects and noises where its lack of sonic versatility wasn't as noticeable.

Back in the late 70’s early 80’s, I used to look down my nose at things like Juno's, Jupiter’s, in fact, any early poly synth, I used to think they were just glorified "keyboards" like home organs, there were "synthesisers" proper ones, like the Moog modular, 26/2500 and EMS, they were the ones to have, and I always thought those early poly's were a joke, you couldn’t even patch them, my first synth was a VCS3 with the DK2 keyboard, I bought it in 1975, much to the mystification of our neighbours at the time, who were always asking where "these strange noises" were coming from.

[rockydennis]

Also I'm pretty sure I saw on another forum that Behringer have announced a version of the Juno chorus in a pedal.

Is it the TC Electronic June-60? That and a subsequent V2 have been around for a while.

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/tc ... ic-june-60

[BJG145]

Why anyone would want this in this day and age is beyond me.

I take your point. I had an HS60 for a while which was all I could afford, but the sounds didn't really fit the music I wanted to make. But I think they're a staple of certain genres, like the 303...? So I can see why a lot of people would want one.

[Arpangel]

Behringer should enter the classical acoustic market, just imagine, a Stradivarius copy that’s as good as the real thing, for £650, a Steinway for £1,000, how about a Martin acoustic for £500?

[resistorman]

Behringer should enter the classical acoustic market, just imagine, a Stradivarius copy that’s as good as the real thing, for £650, a Steinway for £1,000, how about a Martin acoustic for £500?

Well, none of those things lend themselves to easy mass production using consumerish materials for one thing.

[Arpangel]

Behringer should enter the classical acoustic market, just imagine, a Stradivarius copy that’s as good as the real thing, for £650, a Steinway for £1,000, how about a Martin acoustic for £500?

Well, none of those things lend themselves to easy mass production using consumerish materials for one thing.

How about a plastic Steinway? or a cardboard violin?

PS

I’m going to start a percussion box, and an acoustic box, I’m going to fill it with those plastic instruments you can get on Amazon, like Sax, Flute Trumpet etc, for those occasions when I feel like doing something stupid, like "attempting" to play sax.

[Drew Stephenson]

PS

I’m going to start a percussion box, and an acoustic box, I’m going to fill it with those plastic instruments you can get on Amazon, like Sax, Flute Trumpet etc, for those occasions when I feel like doing something stupid, like "attempting" to play sax.

Here you go: https://www.gear4music.com/Drums-and-Pe ... music/20E5

[DGL.]

Another new announcement of an already teased synth, MS-5 final beta going to testers and then straight into production.

[Arpangel]

Another new announcement of an already teased synth, MS-5 final beta going to testers and then straight into production.

Of course, yawn.

[The Elf]

Also I'm pretty sure I saw on another forum that Behringer have announced a version of the Juno chorus in a pedal.

It's been around a while. The June-60 chorus.

The V1 was appallingly bad and sounded nothing like. The V2 is just not so good. You have to scratch around inside to switch it from guitar to keyboard levels, and the drop in volume in keyboard mode makes it unusable.

When I tried one there was always some sort of horrible side-band noise in the output. Maybe I had a duffer, but that was enough for me.

[t-sun]

B announced some massive price drops due to increased chip production.

“As semiconductors become more available and prices come down, we’re able to ramp up production. In line with our promise to share our savings with you, we’re really excited to lower our pricing by up to 60%.”

Many of the price drops are small, like a $10 price cut on the $149 Brains module. But some of the price reductions are substantial, including:

• Behringer System 55 – $1400 price cut to $1,599
  Behringer System 35 – $1500 price cut to $999
  Behringer System 15 – $900 price cut to $799
  Behringer Poly D – $210 price cut to $599
  Behringer DeepMind 12 – $130 price cut to $799
  Behringer 2600 – $200 price cut to $499
  Behringer MonoPoly – $210 price cut to $599
  Behringer Wasp – $80 price cut to $149
  Behringer Cat – $150 price cut to $199
  Behringer TD-3 – $30 price cut to $129

https://www.synthtopia.com/content/2023 ... ity-costs/

The System 35 dropping to $1000 from $2500 is stunning, I see the price drop is already reflected on Sweetwater and they have stock.

[DGL.]

Saw announcement of the price cuts on FB, if only I had the dosh!

[The Elf]

Saw announcement of the price cuts on FB, if only I had the dosh!

I'm only seeing discounts in the US. If the price of the System 55 now in the US arrives in the UK I'm buying...

[BJG145]

Behringer 2600 – $200 price cut to $499

I don't know how much longer I'll be able to resist one of those.

[t-sun]

Saw announcement of the price cuts on FB, if only I had the dosh!

I'm only seeing discounts in the US. If the price of the System 55 now in the US arrives in the UK I'm buying...

In my experience with Thomann, sellers in the EU (and presumably still in the UK) aren't as beholden to manufacturer pricing as sellers elsewhere. So I've ordered things from Thomann Germany that they put on sale because it was significantly cheaper than the US sellers, even with shipping. Kind of goes both ways.

That being said, $1600 at current exchange rates is 1298.50GBP. Shipping + VAT can't possibly be that much, right?

Also, I just noticed that the System 15 is exactly $10,000 less than the Moog System 10.

[Arpangel]

Also, I just noticed that the System 15 is exactly $10,000 less than the Moog System 10.

Why do you think that is?

[t-sun]

Also, I just noticed that the System 15 is exactly $10,000 less than the Moog System 10.

Why do you think that is?

Behringer have a sense of humor.

Price drops hit Thomann, not sure if UK sellers are going to follow suit. Andertons doesn't seem to have done so. Not as deep a drop as the US, either, but that's not really a surprise.

https://www.thomannmusic.com/behringer_ ... izers.html

The System-15 is now down to 999€ from 1250€ (20% OFF), the System-35 to 1190€ from 2111€ (43% OFF), and the System-55 to 1790€ from 3319€ (46% OFF). As mentioned in the other article, the Behringer Eurorack GO has dropped to the best price of 249€ instead of 329€. The starting price in Europe was 279€. Other prices changes:

Poly D: 666€ instead of 735€
MonoPoly: 508€ instead of 649€
2600: 485€ instead of 569€
Gray Meanie (2600): 508€ instead of 599€ (begin of 2023 than dropped to 549€)

There are also many price adjustments for the Eurorack modules. To write them all down would be too much now. But here are two examples: Behringer 130 Dual VCA is now 78€ instead of 109€ (January), and the 305 EQ/Mixer/Output now 85€ (before 109€).

[Arpangel]

This is an incredible price.

https://www.thomannmusic.com/behringer ... ._1027.htm

[BJG145]

By the time you add VAT and postage it's probably cheaper on Amazon (£99).

Or how about a Blue Marvin for £422.

[DGL.]

Regarding the Solina, Madis has one and has shown it in a short video on FB.

More interesting is that in a video from Osmose interviewing Jarre there is a Behringer Solina in the background for a few seconds and according to Jamie Munro (who's been doing some beta testing of some things and has some inside knowledge) he's been involved from an early stage, that's quite a development and should guarantee it'll be great.

[Arpangel]

By the time you add VAT and postage it's probably cheaper on Amazon (£99).

Or how about a Blue Marvin for £422.

I bought a Gray Meanie, it’s exactly £100 cheaper right now, than when I bought mine, I’m just about to put together a Berry Moog, some of those modules are ridiculously cheap now.

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/2171492

I feel we ought to get this stuff now, as it may be discontinued at some point, who knows?

[DGL.]

A couple of slightly interesting bits of news on their FB page, one is that they have been contacted by several kickstarter startups regarding partnering on manufacture/finance/distribution and have a couple of things going live soon, and that they are happy to discuss any similar ventures that they could be interested in, whether or not the product ends up with their logo/brand on it.

Also in the comments to that post it was suggested that they look at the recently defunct Cymatic audio and pick up where they left off with Behringer replying that Andy Lauer their former CEO was to take over leadership of Behringer so Uli can concentrate on MT as a whole, plus it also allows some succession planning, Uli isn't going to be around forever.

Lastly their Model 15 (a sort of Mogg GM clone) is ready for production and is targeted to be $249.

[Arpangel]

A couple of slightly interesting bits of news on their FB page, one is that they have been contacted by several kickstarter startups regarding partnering on manufacture/finance/distribution and have a couple of things going live soon, and that they are happy to discuss any similar ventures that they could be interested in, whether or not the product ends up with their logo/brand on it.

Also in the comments to that post it was suggested that they look at the recently defunct Cymatic audio and pick up where they left off with Behringer replying that Andy Lauer their former CEO was to take over leadership of Behringer so Uli can concentrate on MT as a whole, plus it also allows some succession planning, Uli isn't going to be around forever.

Lastly their Model 15 (a sort of Mogg GM clone) is ready for production and is targeted to be $249.

I’m not sure this GM clone is actually worth releasing, is it?
You’ve got the D and the Poly D.
I have a Moog Grandmother, and to me, the beauty of it is the size and sheer playability and feel of the thing, it’s a big part of the instrument, it would be lost on the Berry.
I must admit, I am tempted by the Poly D, it has great potential, but it’s bigger, and more tactile, and from what I’ve heard from a couple of people, it also does the business.

[The Elf]

I had the Poly D for a while. It's not a synth I'll be returning to.

The Model D has 'that' sound. The Poly D does not. I suspect the oscillator drive is reduced to assist its aspirations as a para-poly, but it leaves it cold as a monosynth. The feedback facility does nothing to help. For a four-oscillator 'MiniMoog-alike' to sound so 'polite' is disappointing.

The 'poly' feature itself is a total waste of time and buttons, IMO. There are more immediate, less compromised and cheaper analogue poly options that don't require the oscillators to be manually re-tuned between mono and poly use. With this in mind the chorus facility also starts to look like a waste of buttons - a delay would have been more useful.

The 'broken' USB/MIDI pitchbend looks like it will now never be fixed, despite me having repeatedly reported and explained it to Behringer representatives. To many this is of no consequence - to me it's a stumbling block I grew tired of having to avoid.

Finally, not having the ability to apply aftertouch to vibrato onboard is just silly to my way of thinking.

This is a synth that's compromised as a poly by trying to be a MiniMoog and compromised as a MiniMoog by trying to be a poly.

Too many compromises, and not enough grunt. I grew more disappointed with the Poly D as time went on and I found I was choosing the Model D in preference almost every time.

Having said all of this I imagine you'll now want one...

[Arpangel]

Having said all of this I imagine you'll now want one...

On the contrary Elf, thanks, you’ve confirmed the doubts I had.
I have a Moog already, so I’m OK for "that sound"