Cheap 2 channel interface for Windows 10?

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ef37a wrote:AFAIK they don't have their own ASIO drivers.

I just want to chime in and say the UMC204HD along with the other "higher" models of UMC have their own ASIO drivers.

Do not use ASIO4ALL drivers as they won't work as well.

I believe the drivers are on the Berry website and cover XP to W10!
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garrettendi wrote:
ef37a wrote:AFAIK they don't have their own ASIO drivers.

I just want to chime in and say the UMC204HD along with the other "higher" models of UMC have their own ASIO drivers.

Do not use ASIO4ALL drivers as they won't work as well.

I believe the drivers are on the Berry website and cover XP to W10!

Exactly this, otherwise I wouldn't have bought it!
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Enjoy it Arpangel! It's a fine little box and has served me well. Hopefully if more of us buy them SOS will do a review! ;)
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Ok chaps I get it...Forgive me DO!

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Verily thou art forgiven son. Go in peace!

And thanks for suggesting hearing about latency etc, Dave. I'd love to see hard numbers! I tried to get them myself but couldn't work it out in Mixbus. I use Reaper now so maybe I could try again.
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garrettendi wrote:Enjoy it Arpangel! It's a fine little box and has served me well. Hopefully if more of us buy them SOS will do a review! ;)

I just couldn't find a reason not to buy it, it seems to tick all boxes, and seems well spoken of by lots of people from different backgrounds. It's not going to be used for anything major, but even so, I'm sure it could stand comparison with a lot of other stuff that's more expensive, it's just the fact it's got Behringer written on it that would put some people off.
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Arpangel wrote:it's just the fact it's got Behringer written on it that would put some people off.

Agreed, I've had a couple bits and pieces by Behringer so far. The Vintager GM110 guitar amp I had was fantastic, and I regret getting rid of it.

I really do think they have an undeserved bad rep.
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garrettendi wrote:I really do think they have an undeserved bad rep.

Yes they do, and it was deserved in the early years, but despite all of the ethical/moral reasons people have about the way they do business, I think we have to admit that they've become a very innovative company, and now, they have some good new products that are game changers. And the quality of there products is as good or better than anyone else's at a particular price point, so who on earth wouldn't at least consider their products? It makes no sense not to.
I have compressors, monitors, pedals, and now this interface, no problems from my previous purchases at all, and 100% reliable, despite not being looked after as much as they could be.
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garrettendi wrote:I really do think they have an undeserved bad rep.

Not undeserved, but I do think that they are far better now and deserving of a cautiously open mind.
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Their DI boxes have been less than stellar IME.........
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The Elf wrote:and deserving of a cautiously open mind.

A good philosophy for life in general.... :)
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Yep, they do a lot of good stuff nowadays.

But avoid the DI120 like a plague!
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blinddrew wrote:Yep, they do a lot of good stuff nowadays.

But avoid the DI120 like a plague!

Thanks, I've never had cause to use a DI, but if I do......
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Got home, opened box, installed latest driver. Works fine with W10.
Build quality excellent , sound, more than excellent, better than a lot of more expensive things, or at least "as good" seems clearer, more open, than my Motu, it reminds me of my Focusrite Saffire sonically.
Latency, about 2.7ms but I haven't tweaked it yet.
All in all, I think it was a good choice.
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I’m glad I’m not the only one that thinks the sound is more than excellent! Seems very crisp and clear. Absolutely no muddiness to my ears!
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garrettendi wrote:I’m glad I’m not the only one that thinks the sound is more than excellent! Seems very crisp and clear. Absolutely no muddiness to my ears!

You're right, I was really surprised, I wasn't expecting it to be so good.
£70 well spent.
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:thumbup:

Next thing to do is convince SOS to do a review!
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garrettendi wrote::thumbup:

Next thing to do is convince SOS to do a review!

I guess it's among many, and it just does it's job, anyone whose done a bit of research will be aware of it, I bet they've sold loads. It's a bit of a boring sector of the market, cheap interfaces, but it would be a shame for someone to not give the Behringer a chance, it's in a big market sector, loads of people want good bang-for-the-buck, musicians with little or no money, that's a huge area, it should do well, like a lot of Behringer gear, maybe a review isn't going to help it any more.
I've got a Behringer mixer, that's in the same boat, great, no problems, my monitors too, plus some outboard.
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That makes sense as it already is a very popular AI
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And SOS don't go and ask companies to review their products. Companies ask SOS to review their products, so it's down to Behringer With the current rate of Behringer new product output, you could easily fill at least 95% of each issue reviews section with Behringer kit, so I suspect Behringer have to be a bit selective about which products they push to be reviewed.
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Wonks wrote:And SOS don't go and ask companies to review their products. Companies ask SOS to review their products, so it's down to Behringer With the current rate of Behringer new product output, you could easily fill at least 95% of each issue reviews section with Behringer kit, so I suspect Behringer have to be a bit selective about which products they push to be reviewed.

And with exciting synth reissues by the lorry load, an interface isn't very exciting in comparison!
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Arpangel wrote:
Wonks wrote:And SOS don't go and ask companies to review their products. Companies ask SOS to review their products, so it's down to Behringer With the current rate of Behringer new product output, you could easily fill at least 95% of each issue reviews section with Behringer kit, so I suspect Behringer have to be a bit selective about which products they push to be reviewed.

And with exciting synth reissues by the lorry load, an interface isn't very exciting in comparison!

If you are being sarky Arp'...I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!

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Well, an interface is an interface. Its got X inputs, Y outputs and Z MIDI ports (where Z is normally 0 just to annoy ef37a). They all have decent mic inputs and A/D and D/A converters. There is very little to distinguish between the low cost units once you've listed input signal and gain range, headphone output level, any pads and phantom power provisions. Add in a dynamic range and noise figure and you're pretty much there.

The only real differences are in the control software. So you could do most of the review with a simple table and a short description of the associated software.

Whereas synths make all sorts of different bleepy, bloopy and wishy noises, with multitudes of knobs or control parameters which need a lot of description. And for copies of 'classic' hardware, people want to know how close the sound is.

Synths are sexy, interfaces are simply necessary.
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ef37a wrote:
Arpangel wrote:
Wonks wrote:And SOS don't go and ask companies to review their products. Companies ask SOS to review their products, so it's down to Behringer With the current rate of Behringer new product output, you could easily fill at least 95% of each issue reviews section with Behringer kit, so I suspect Behringer have to be a bit selective about which products they push to be reviewed.

And with exciting synth reissues by the lorry load, an interface isn't very exciting in comparison!

If you are being sarky Arp'...I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!

Dave.

No sark intended, it's just true I guess, do I want to read about an interface, or the new Wasp?
I'm thinking though, it may be a good idea to have short reviews of what I would call "utility" equipment, in a seperate section of the magazine? Might not be worth it though.

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Wonks wrote:Well, an interface is an interface. Its got X inputs, Y outputs and Z MIDI ports (where Z is normally 0 just to annoy ef37a). They all have decent mic inputs and A/D and D/A converters. There is very little to distinguish between the low cost units once you've listed input signal and gain range, headphone output level, any pads and phantom power provisions. Add in a dynamic range and noise figure and you're pretty much there.

The only real differences are in the control software. So you could do most of the review with a simple table and a short description of the associated software.

Whereas synths make all sorts of different bleepy, bloopy and wishy noises, with multitudes of knobs or control parameters which need a lot of description. And for copies of 'classic' hardware, people want to know how close the sound is.

Synths are sexy, interfaces are simply necessary.

Yes but...What sets the Behringers apart from much of the crowd is their very low price. There are people* who want a cheap interface for resons other than impeccunity (aka 'tight') and they are looking for a trusted and accurate report. Are 'buggers telling the truth about specifications? We, the great unwashed, have no way to tell.

*Me for instance. I want a good, low latency AI for my son in France but he will have lost it or loaned it permanently to a mate within a year. (the bloody PHONES we have bought him!!)

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