Simple virtual drummer instrument

[Drew Stephenson]

It turns out that was the education prices. Ignore all of that.

[CS70]

It's just a code - you need to download and install the toontrack manager and just put it in, and it keeps track of all your products and update needs.

So it really matters little where you buy it from - so long the code is valid. The boxed version is really killing trees for no reason

[Drew Stephenson]

Yep, wasn't bothered about the boxed version. Cheapest non-education version is £105.
Which seems quite reasonable.

[garrettendi]

It might be a tad late, but here's MDrummer: https://www.dropbox.com/s/655976eqcyq07 ... s.wav?dl=0

The only tweaking I made was to use my custom kit, which is all Mapex Black Widow drums with Zildjian cymbals. Realisticity and Super-realisticity are both set to 100%, which I think has caused some issue with relative timings and volumes of each drum. Not 100% happy tbh.

EDIT: Yeah I'm not happy with that, but chalk it down to my bad engineering, it doesn't sound as "on" as the other samples posted

[garrettendi]

Not 100% happy tbh.

EDIT: Yeah I'm not happy with that, but chalk it down to my bad engineering, it doesn't sound as "on" as the other samples posted

That wasn’t a criticism of the original MIDI recording by the way, Drew Just a criticism of my tinkering

[Drew Stephenson]

Critique away, it wasn't me playing

Thanks, I'll download that now.
Cheers

[garrettendi]

Grand! Let me know what you think... it’s useful for me as well as helping you figure out what to buy!

[Drew Stephenson]

Interesting, it doesn't look like the Midi has mapped across in the way I'd expect so it's not really a like for like comparison.
That being said the sounds sound pretty straight and unembellised to my ears. They don't quite grab me in the same way that the EZdrummer or Solid ones do, but that's probably as much down to choice of kit.

I find myself in a bit of a quandary, so I'll probably do my usual thing of prevaricating until I suddenly find myself in need - at which point, nothing will be on sale and I'll end up either sticking with what I've got and being disatisfied with the sound or paying too much for something I'm not certain about.
But it's good to have a process. :/

[garrettendi]

Interesting, it doesn't look like the Midi has mapped across in the way I'd expect so it's not really a like for like comparison

Yes that’s probably down to my playing with the realisticity settings!

EDIT: or do you mean the MIDI mapping for the drums? I believe I was using GM Standard

[Drew Stephenson]

I meant the midi mapping for the drums, they were played in from a Roland e-drum kit so it might be there's just one part of the kit out. I haven't quite figured it out yet!

[garrettendi]

I meant the midi mapping for the drums, they were played in from a Roland e-drum kit so it might be there's just one part of the kit out. I haven't quite figured it out yet!

Ah ok! I thought I’d fluffed up!

[MOF]

Native Instruments sell sampled drum kits that come with libraries of midi patterns.

[muzines]

Native Instruments sell sampled drum kits that come with libraries of midi patterns.

You mean the ones that require a full version of Kontakt..?

[Drew Stephenson]

I have an unreasonable fear of Kontakt.
I have no idea why!
Maybe just because of the size of the rabbit hole...

[MOF]

MOF wrote:
Native Instruments sell sampled drum kits that come with libraries of midi patterns.

You mean the ones that require a full version of Kontakt..?

No the sample player comes with the purchased instruments.
You only need the full version of Kontakt if you’re doing your own sampling.

[muzines]

MOF wrote:
Native Instruments sell sampled drum kits that come with libraries of midi patterns.

You mean the ones that require a full version of Kontakt..?

No the sample player comes with the purchased instruments.
You only need the full version of Kontakt if you’re doing your own sampling.

Oh yes, the officially licensed libraries work in Kontakt Player free, my brain temporarily seemed to forget that!

The full version is needed to load any non-officially licensed libraries (like small, free or inexpensive libraries from independent content creators), as they haven't paid the hefty licensing sum NI require to do so.

[Drew Stephenson]

Might have a shufti. Thanks

[The Elf]

I have an unreasonable fear of Kontakt.
I have no idea why!

Get over this! Seriously!

Kontakt will open up a WORLD of possibilities for you. I know it's not the friendliest of plug-ins. There's no nice, friendly, familiar face to greet you. But once you begin to realise what you can do (and I'm not just talking about loading other people's material) then it's like walking into Willy Wonka's garden!

I stopped using NI Battery when I realised that Kontakt wiped the floor with it - and stuff like EZ/Superior Drummer don't have the flexibility (and not even close to the third-party material) that Kontakt offers.

But no, friendly it isn't - at first. Take some time to get know it and your faith will be rewarded.

And I'm here if you get stuck!

[CS70]

and stuff like EZ/Superior Drummer don't have the flexibility (and not even close to the third-party material) that Kontakt offers.

Out of curiosity, what kind of flexibility are you thinking of? Not that I need any as I leave the real drums to my real drummer, but I wonder what I may be missing out?

I mean with EZ, you have kits, sample variations, and not sure what you mean with third party material, any midi package can be used (for example Toontrack doesn’t have any serious spanish/latin package so I got some from Groove Monkees)? Kits there’s more than enough, lets not forget that uncountable great records have been made with good but choice-limited kits in the great studios of yore..

Or perhaps are you thinking of non-drum stuff as well ? (I understand kontakt even makes coffee on occasion:))

[garrettendi]

I agree with CS70

Sure Kontakt will have the sounds but will it have the features of a proper drum VST

So in my case using MDrummer, that comes with midi loop generation, synthesis and altering of samples, in built effects etc etc. Does Kontakt come with those features

Also: to derail just for a second, I’ve decided I’m a bit more confident about the wav I sent. I just need to dial down the realisticity a bit!

[Drew Stephenson]

Ok, I have just had a shufti at the NI stuff and found this: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... e-drummer/
I know it's not as versatile as some of the other options, but:
- I like the sounds.
- It maps to my e-drums.
- It has brushes.
- It's in budget.
That is, I'm assuming it's in budget, unless there's some additional expenditure reqiured? It doesn't look like an expansion pack?
I think I just need the Kontakt Player (I have to break my duck at some point right?).

Am I missing anything?

[muzines]

So in my case using MDrummer, that comes with midi loop generation, synthesis and altering of samples, in built effects etc etc. Does Kontakt come with those features

Yes. Kontakt is very deep, and instruments/libraries you can buy in Kontakt format have a *wealth* of intelligence - Kontakt's scripting engine is great and some of the libraries have very very deep and complex programming to implement all kinds of cool features.

[muzines]

That is, I'm assuming it's in budget, unless there's some additional expenditure reqiured? It doesn't look like an expansion pack?

I think I just need the Kontakt Player (I have to break my duck at some point right?).

You don't need anything else.

Get all six ABBEY ROAD DRUMMER packs for £179.00 (regular price £534.00)

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... ollection/

That's a good price for all six libraries too...

[garrettendi]

Ok, I have just had a shufti at the NI stuff and found this: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... e-drummer/
I know it's not as versatile as some of the other options, but:
- I like the sounds.
- It maps to my e-drums.
- It has brushes.
- It's in budget.
That is, I'm assuming it's in budget, unless there's some additional expenditure reqiured? It doesn't look like an expansion pack?
I think I just need the Kontakt Player (I have to break my duck at some point right?).

Am I missing anything?

I know I said I would prefer a proper drum VST (and I would) but look into this: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... o-drummer/

I’ve not listened to the Abbey Road kit but Studio Drummer DOES sound very realistic

I was almost tempted to get it meself

[garrettendi]

Actually DAMN that’s an insane price for all Abbey Road kits