How to protect Microphones in Outdoor Scenarios

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Re: How to protect Microphones in Outdoor Scenarios

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XY mics are normally referred to as having a 90° relative angle. I know it’s 45° for each mic relative to the ‘straight ahead’ position, but it avoids confusion and misunderstanding if you stick with using the relative angle. The term ‘XY’ comes from the arrangement of the X and Y axis on a graph, with the 90° angle between them.

I assume the sheeting is to go on the outside of the bucket to stop the noise of rain hitting the bucket?

What you don’t want is mics sitting inside a plastic bucket with solid sides. The sound reflections from the sides of the bucket will really mess up and colour the stereo image.

If you cut most of the bucket away, so there’s the barest amount left to act as a frame, and then cover that in furry material, then that could work as a blimp, but putting the mics inside a solid bucket to protect them from the rain isn’t going to get you a great recording.

At best, you’ll need a big bucket with acoustic foam inside to reduce sound reflections. But you’ll still get a compromised sound (as do people who sit their mics deep in their reflection filters).

The bucket idea is something you can test on a dry day with no air movement. Record the ambient sound with a XY pair in the open, and then fit the bucket. You should notice a significant difference in the sound.
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Re: How to protect Microphones in Outdoor Scenarios

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Wonks wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:41 pm XY mics are normally referred to as having a 90° relative angle. I know it’s 45° for each mic relative to the ‘straight ahead’ position, but it avoids confusion and misunderstanding if you stick with using the relative angle. The term ‘XY’ comes from the arrangement of the X and Y axis on a graph, with the 90° angle between them.

Understood

Wonks wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:41 pmI assume the sheeting is to go on the outside of the bucket to stop the noise of rain hitting the bucket?

No, I thought I might get away using that instead of the furry material.

Wonks wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:41 pmWhat you don’t want is mics sitting inside a plastic bucket with solid sides. The sound reflections from the sides of the bucket will really mess up and colour the stereo image.

I see.

Wonks wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:41 pmIf you cut most of the bucket away, so there’s the barest amount left to act as a frame, and then cover that in furry material, then that could work as a blimp, but putting the mics inside a solid bucket to protect them from the rain isn’t going to get you a great recording.

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How about these? Okay, I have to keep the mics under a roof.

Wonks wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:41 pmAt best, you’ll need a big bucket with acoustic foam inside to reduce sound reflections. But you’ll still get a compromised sound (as do people who sit their mics deep in their reflection filters).

The bucket idea is something you can test on a dry day with no air movement. Record the ambient sound with a XY pair in the open, and then fit the bucket. You should notice a significant difference in the sound.

Maybe it is worth trying to avoid the windnoise by placing the mics closer to the wall where hopefully there will be less wind.
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Re: How to protect Microphones in Outdoor Scenarios

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Does anyone have a copy of Mike Skeet's design for a home made windshield? I remember that a friend of mine wrote to him and received back a whole bundle of paper containing various designs of microphone arrays. I can't find anything online though.
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Re: How to protect Microphones in Outdoor Scenarios

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You need the furry material to reduce wind noise. Just like on an animal, the fur progressively slows the wind speed down the closer it gets to the skin/backing fabric. You need the depth that a fur-like material gives.

If there was a better material to use, the blimp manufacturers would be using it!

Those open-sided buckets are far more like it, though I think they really would need to be cut down even more. The less hard material there is for sound to bounce off, the better. A couple of those buckets back to back, with quite a few of the links removed, could make a reasonable shell for a blimp. But assuming the bottom of one bucket is the forward-facing part of the blimp, you'd want to try and remove as muck of the thick rim around the bottom of the bucket as possible.

The rear-facing bucket doesn't matter so much, but you don't really want a thick line of plastic obscuring the sound coming from the front.
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Re: How to protect Microphones in Outdoor Scenarios

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A better starting point might be a pair of large, stainless steel mesh vegetable strainers?
Cable tie them together and the handles might be useful to hang the rig?

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Re: How to protect Microphones in Outdoor Scenarios

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Okay, before I try to built a blimp myself, I am going to try to avoid windnoise by placing the mics somewhere with litte wind.

ef37a wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 4:57 pm Several ways to skin this cat...NO! Don't do THAT!

So what you are saying is, that I shouldn't have skinned that cat? This is terrible... :?
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