MIDI drum kit into Cubase and then change sounds?

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MIDI drum kit into Cubase and then change sounds?

Post by ssmith »

I have a Roland TD6 drum kit and a good drummer :) I want to record his drum playing via MIDI from the drum machine controller and record this MIDI into Cubase SX 2.

I then want to be able to pick decent sounds for each part of the kit within Cubase.

Is this possible? Are there any plug ins or dedicated software packages that cater for this sort of thing? I've heard of NI Battery but not totally sure if it would do all that i want it to.

Anyone done this before? Any suggestions?
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BFD2 from FXpansion, Superior 2 from Toontrack are the programs that have the best e-Kit support when used as a plug-in.

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The VSTis named above are very good indeed, but NI Battery will do what you're wanting and is arguably more flexible since you can create your own kits out of any samples you have.
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Elf, I've used DFHS (and sold it: too much latency and too hard to use) and am currently working with Battery 2: is it possible to create some sort of 'map' so that my Yamaha E-kit always plays the correct cells in Battery?

The kits sort of work 'out of the box' but things like the hi-hat edge trigger are ignored.

Any help or advice appreciated.
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Richard - depending on your DAW (e.g. Cubase) you can create drum mappings, but I usually find them more them more trouble than they're worth.

In Battery you can simply drag and drop the cells to swap the contents (and all their settings) around. Once you have them re-organised as you like them then just save them in your preferred format.

Or you could presumably alter the note assignment in your pads.

I always stick (as far as possible) with the GM format - love it or hate it, at least it's consistent.
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Thanks Elf: I will use a GM kit on my drum brain as a starter for 10, and modify the Battery kits to suit.
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Post by Kwackman »

The Cubase drum edit page "remapping" thing is pretty good imho.
You can assign any in note to any out note.
So, if your kit from your kit is coming in on C1, but you want it to play a kick which is D4 on your software instrument, you just change the OUT column of C1 to D4. Once you've your kit sorted, you can save the settings as a drummap (I think that's what Cubase calls them?) for next time.
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Post by Matt Houghton »

Re mapping, you should check out John Walden's recent article in SOS, which comes with some downloadable examples.
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Kwackman wrote:The Cubase drum edit page "remapping" thing is pretty good imho.
You can assign any in note to any out note.
So, if your kit from your kit is coming in on C1, but you want it to play a kick which is D4 on your software instrument, you just change the OUT column of C1 to D4. Once you've your kit sorted, you can save the settings as a drummap (I think that's what Cubase calls them?) for next time.

Yes, but by undertaking one bit of editing on either the controller, or the receiving player (and Battery in particular is a doddle in this respect!) the job is done forever and everything matches up - no more mapping required. :D

When I *did* use drum maps, I was constantly having to translate in my head between the settings on the controller, the settings on the receiving instrument and taking account of the drum map in-between. Never again! :headbang:
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The Elf wrote:
Kwackman wrote:The Cubase drum edit page "remapping" thing is pretty good imho.
You can assign any in note to any out note.
So, if your kit from your kit is coming in on C1, but you want it to play a kick which is D4 on your software instrument, you just change the OUT column of C1 to D4. Once you've your kit sorted, you can save the settings as a drummap (I think that's what Cubase calls them?) for next time.

Yes, but by undertaking one bit of editing on either the controller, or the receiving player (and Battery in particular is a doddle in this respect!) the job is done forever and everything matches up - no more mapping required. :D

When I *did* use drum maps, I was constantly having to translate in my head between the settings on the controller, the settings on the receiving instrument and taking account of the drum map in-between. Never again! :headbang:

I'm inclined to agree with the Elf on this one. Drum maps are an essential evil, *if* you can't re-assign trigger inputs to MIDI notes on your controller, or notes to samples on your ROMpler.

Also I can see it would be useful for re-mapping already-recorded MIDI (again if you can't or don't want change the mapping on your ROMpler).

You know what I would *really* like? If the MIDI spec was expanded, so you could transmit the messages "switch me to the closest thing you have to a jazz kit", when I switch kits on the brain, and "play a jazz snare" etc, when I play a jazz snare on the brain.

i.e. if instead of transmitting and receiving program numbers and note numbers, it would transmit 'jazz snare rimshot played hard' to the sound source: and the source would then do its best to oblige.
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