UAD v5.3 plugins have SSL channel strips/bus Compressor

[jaminem]

Good news for UAD users, but I wonder what SSL think this is going to do to their Duende line.

Is it an officially licensed emulation?

Would think not as if you can get this on a UAD with all their other lovely plugins, why would one ever buy a Duende, can't imagine the voice strip and drumstrip are a killer selling point for most..

http://www.uaudio.com/products/software/4kcs/index.html

[Qbical]

I wonder what the difference is between the UAD version and the versions from Waves and SSL's own Duende. I only have the UAD card not the other ones, someone willing to do a comparison?

[Steve Hill]

It looks very tasty.

I'm 100% confident it is properly authorised - UAD are a reputable company and nobody would be allowed to use SSL's brand without consent, unless they fancied a lot of litigation.

SSL licensing their work to UAD is no more (nor less) competition for Duende than licensing it to Waves. I guess SSL's commercial judgement is that there's a bunch of UAD cards already out there and they may as well grab a slice of the pie.

UAD have done a lot of work building new partnerships (recent members of the club include Harrison, Moog, Little Labs, and a version of the Empirical Labs Fatso compressor is imminent).

[jaminem]

Agreed, does look very tasty, although my point really was why would you buy a Duende now which seems a very closed DSP platform when you compare to the UAD which gives you pretty much Duende functionality and loads more too.?

Still waiting for the Fatso...

[muzines]

I'm 100% confident it is properly authorised - UAD are a reputable company and nobody would be allowed to use SSL's brand without consent, unless they fancied a lot of litigation.

But it's not using SSL's brands at all. It's called the "UAD 4K", there is no "SSL" or "4000" branding anywhere, and it looks like it's been carefully named to avoid licensing issues. It's a model of the hardware, but is not a trademark license deal.

When UA partner with companies, the companies' logos and trademarks are used explicitly.

So I doubt SSL have anything to do with this...

As UA's note says:
*UAD, UAD-1, UAD-2 and UAD 4K are trademarks of Universal Audio, Inc. All other names are trademarks of Solid State Logic, which are in no way associated or affiliated with Universal Audio, Inc. These trademarks of other manufacturers are used solely to identify the products of those manufacturers whose circuits and sounds were studied during the sound development of the UAD 4K products. Use of third party trademarks are for informational purposes only and do not imply an endorsement or sponsorship of Universal Audio’s products.

[jaminem]

I'd be amused if SSL brought out a compressor emulation called an "ElevenSeventySix Ellen"

[steve355]

Also intrigued by this:

Cooper Time Cube

[jaminem]

Innit the demo is excellent, check out the Richie Hawtin esq, delayed drums at the end of it...

[Peter Conz Connelly]

Agreed, does look very tasty, although my point really was why would you buy a Duende now which seems a very closed DSP platform when you compare to the UAD which gives you pretty much Duende functionality and loads more too.?

Still waiting for the Fatso...

The Duende plugins aren't based on the same hardware as the UAD / Waves ones are, so Duende (for now) is still worth having. I bought the Cooper Time Cube purely on speculation... With the 20% off and the $25 voucher I had, it was a no brainer. Can't wait to try it out

P

[hugol]

The Duende plugins aren't based on the same hardware as the UAD / Waves ones are, so Duende (for now) is still worth having.

Maybe, but playing with the UAD 4000 channel strip briefly last night, it behaves and sounds suprisingly close to my Duende.

Without vouchers the UAD 40000 + comp cost about £310. Duende can be had for £400 including a Quad DSP card that's only about 20% less powerful (based on AD figures) than the UAD Quad - and you're not chewing up expensive UAD capacity.

As much as I like UAD I think this is a predatory move and their hardware is grossly overpriced.

[Spangler]

Was getting interested in that Cooper Time Cube myself until I noticed it's for UAD2 only

[Big_al]

Your better off getting a Duende mini.

Duende £379 - 16 mono instances of the plugin

UAD Solo 2 £385 + SSL plugin £173 (approx) Total £558 - 13 mono instances of the plugin.

The kicker is that only only get 4 mono instances on a UAD 1 pci card but 13 instances of the Neve 88RS channel strip.
Is the SSL that much more superior than the Neve to justify the extra processing power used?

[Steve Hill]

That makes some sense, but if you've got say a UAD-2 Quad card which is never breaking sweat, you have effectively unlimited instances for all practical purposes.

And every time you plug in the SSL strip, you're not plugging in something else...

On the licensing question, I don't think UAD could be using SSL's name all over their website without some consent being involved.

[jaminem]

Well yes but by the saving of £200 or whatever you limit yourself to running only the 5 SSL plugs, hence my comment about it being a closed platform.

As far as I am concerned this chages the landscape. you've got to really want SSL only and to save a few quid to get a duende now, but hey its just an opinion.

Put it this way I already have a UAD1 and 2, but I was considering a Duende, but there would be no point in doing that now. If I had a Duende and I wanted a software 1176, i'd still have to buy a UAD...

[muzines]

On the licensing question, I don't think UAD could be using SSL's name all over their website without some consent being involved.

They acknowledge the trademark ownership and use by which they are using them - there's nothing illegal about that. I could do that on my own website. As long as I wasn't implying that SSL officially endorse this product, or using their branding in my product or product marketing in a misleading way, then it's probably ok.

[Jadoube]

I bought the Cooper Time Cube purely on speculation... With the 20% off and the I bought the Cooper Time Cube purely on speculation... With the 20% off and the 5 voucher I had, it was a no brainer. Can't wait to try it out :-)5 voucher I had, it was a no brainer. Can't wait to try it out

+1! I think I can find a couple of hours for some experimental mixes tonight. I can't wait! I love UAD's fx models... the quirkier the better. SSL plug... great... seen it, done that, read the book. But the Cooper time cube? NOW we are talking cool stuff!

[Dishpan]

> I'm 100% confident it is properly authorised - UAD are a reputable company

Steve, it isn't, it's basically UAs attempt to stop people buying Duendes and buy UADs. As for a reupatable company, they're like any other, trying to make as much cash as possible! Nothing wrong with that of course!

[hugol]

After playing more the Duende and UAD 4000 - I think the compressor and gate are so much better on the UAD 4000 strip. Damn you UAD!!

[Jadoube]

The Cooper Time Cube is a really really tasty delay... I think my Favorite Roland tape Echo plug may have met it's match! It's sounds great as a tight doubling delay on vocals... extraordinary actually. It's a sound I have been searching for ... I think this plug has it!

I haven't tried the 4K plugs yet; Question or Opinions: how does the SSL Bus comp compare to UAD's Precision Bus Compressor? I sort of figured that for UAD's take on the SSL comp. I quite like the Precision Bus Comp... use it all the time. I was a little bit surprised to see the SSL plugs to be honest. It seemed like UAD had that more than covered.

Now... when will they do a Marshall Time Modulator??

[hugol]

I think the PBC was their take on the SSL 4000 bus compressor, only they didn't get it even vaguely right. The PBC is just too clean sounding and IMO pretty boring - some handy controls like the filter, but otherwise nice but dull.

I have Duende and the Duende bus compressor is much more like it. It has a noticeable thickening/darkening effect and provides the the glue people talk about - really works. The PBC just doesn't do that IMO - nothing like this well anyway.

Briefly playing with the new UAD 4000 compressor it has the glue like the Duende, but sounds a bit punchier. I'd certainly recommend demoing it - or check out the native Cytomic Glue compressor which is another circuit modeled SSL job.

[kataStatik]

Now... when will they do a Marshall Time Modulator??

I was googling and saw this post - you should know that there *is* an authorized, digital cross-platform VST plug-in version (with RTAS and AU coming soon) of the Marshall Time Modulator made by Intelligent Devices, the company co-founded by the late Stephen St. Croix (aka Steve Marshall, inventor of the Marshall Time Modulator). Info is available here: Intelligent Devices Proaudio

I thought you might be interested.

Chris Mandra
proaudio@intdevices.com
Product Specialist
Intelligent Devices

[Jadoube]

Hey thanks for the heads up Chris! Incidentally.... I heard/read about this plugin about a month after I made this post; (i think i saw it in a news feed) I haven't tried it yet. I also noticed you can still buy a 'new' hardware Time Modulator from parts that are around. I love that piece of gear. FYI; One thing that was a turnoff for me about that plug was the PACE (I think that is the one it uses). Frankly it's even stopped me from running the demo until I do some research about potential system impact.
Just my opinion/caution/paranoia. I hate it when something borks my DAW. Cheers!

[kataStatik]

I also noticed you can still buy a 'new' hardware Time Modulator from parts that are around. I love that piece of gear. FYI; One thing that was a turnoff for me about that plug was the PACE (I think that is the one it uses). Frankly it's even stopped me from running the demo until I do some research about potential system impact.
Just my opinion/caution/paranoia. I hate it when something borks my DAW. Cheers!

I have one of the reconditioned units about two feet to my right, and I gotta say, it's pretty fabulous.

David Kulka's group has done an amazing job with this hardware. However, if you can't get your hands on one of these, I think you'll find our Marshall Time Modulator plug-in is an excellent and faithful sonic alternative.

As far as PACE is concerned, yeah, I know it causes some trepidation.

For what it's worth here's a partial list of their larger clients:

* Antares Audio Technologies
* Digidesign, Inc.
* The Walt Disney Company
* Dolby Laboratories, Inc.
* DUY
* Fujitsu
* Mark of the Unicorn
* McDSP
* Morisawa and Company, Ltd.
* MUSE Research
* Network General
* Nikon Corporation
* OverTheEdge I/S
* Philips
* Sanyo
* Serato Audio Research
* Sony Oxford
* VirtuosoWorks, Inc.
* Waves Ltd.
* Way Out Ware
* Yoon Design Institute

Anyway, I hope it works out for you. I completely understand that no one wants their system compromised by a copy protection scheme. That would be awful.

If you haven't heard them, there are some really nice audio examples on the website for all of the plug-ins. I encourage you to take a listen and let me know what you think. You can email me @ proaudio@intdevices.com

thanks,

chris

Chris Mandra
Product Specialist
Intelligent Devices
http://proaudio.intdevices.com

[Jadoube]

re PACE; ...and gee... I use none of those products!
I might make an exception for this one plugin though.

thanks

[kataStatik]

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