Yooka Music

[Marbury]

I have been with these people for 5 years, featured on some of their collections but so far had very very poor sales. A total contrast to some other libraries. I think I have made about 40 Euro in that time. The latest blow has come in the form of a music sale for 1.50 Euro. I emailed support asking if they may have mistakenly got a decimal point in the wrong place. My reply was

we are offering a new type of license which is called “Personal Use / Non Commercial” at the price of 1,50 euros. This license is intended for individuals (only) who want to license music for the non commercial videos they are posting on platforms such as YouTube. If you don’t want your music to be licensed for this specific use, you can disable this option track by track

So basically they are giving away music this cheaply and if I want to disable the option I will have to go through nearly 100 tracks one by one. I do feel like pulling all my tracks.

Anyone else still with them or have walked ? Talk about a race to the bottom.

[johnny h]

Sounds abysmal, delete your account. Shouldn't be giving these bottom feeders any of your time and energy.

[Guest]

Talk about a race to the bottom.

Dude, why are you even bothering with libraries like this? Who uses Yukky anyway? I never seen them on a cue sheet ever.

Just as an aside, and opening up the general debate, the RF model and its offshoots didn't really work out did it? or did it?

What do we think?

My own personal view, and I may be wrong of course it's just a humble opinion, is that they were doomed to failure because of a lack of quality control. It is also a model (mass uploading by zillions of wannabe library composers racing to get on the long-since-departed-gravy train) that is rather hard to market effectively. For the peeps at the receiving end at these libraries (the ahem...cough...A&R department...splutter...), going into the office everyday must be like wading through a sewer, post zombie apocalypse.

On the other hand, if you look at some of the larger MCPS libraries you notice that they release very little and what is released is thoroughly researched and briefed with an emphasis on selecting the best composers for the job. Then it is marketed throughout the world very effectively. It is very difficult/impossible to get in with these libraries which shows the bar is extremely high. Therefore the music produced is top notch. Classy programme/film/ad makers wanna use classy music.

It seems to be a successful strategy from what I have seen.

[petev3.1]

Soul Tea - Could you mention a few of the libraries that have a high entry threshold and that you would consider do the job right? What would be your top choices?

I hope the OP won't think this is completely off topic.

[Guest]

Soul Tea - Could you mention a few of the libraries that have a high entry threshold and that you would consider do the job right? What would be your top choices?

I hope the OP won't think this is completely off topic.

Hi Pete,

I'd rather not say if that's OK but it is very easy to find out who is doing well by simply perusing the wonderful PRS database. Go through some cue sheets for some popular programmes (shown on BBC primetime for example) and it will soon become apparent. Generally it's the same few names that pop up all the time. You may know that yourself when watching Great British Bake Off or whatever and you are hearing the same irritating pizzicato choons again and again.

I must admit to being very sad in that I spend alot of time going through cue sheets monitoring my own works. As a result, one gets a feel for what gets used and what doesn't.

Hope that helps,

Soul Tea

[Marbury]

For me my PRS statements started getting nice around October last year after around 5-6 years of putting stuff out. Quite a jump up for some reason though the last one was quite a bit down. Having said that I have a lot of music used all over the world on networt tv channels like Discovery, National Geographic and loads of US stuff. Granted it isn't prime time BBC but to be honest, the stuff I hear on BBC primetime sounds like it has been made by, lets just say, someone with not much imagination and skill. I hear far better quality royalty free on some of these "wannabe library composers" sites but of course they are getting peanuts.

[Guest]

For me my PRS statements started getting nice around October last year after around 5-6 years of putting stuff out. Quite a jump up for some reason though the last one was quite a bit down. Having said that I have a lot of music used all over the world on networt tv channels like Discovery, National Geographic and loads of US stuff. Granted it isn't prime time BBC but to be honest, the stuff I hear on BBC primetime sounds like it has been made by, lets just say, someone with not much imagination and skill. I hear far better quality royalty free on some of these "wannabe library composers" sites but of course they are getting peanuts.

I completely agree.

[petev3.1]

I don't blame you for being cagey Soul Tea. Audio Network seems a no brainer, but I'll check out the PRS list as advised for other serious contenders.

[Marbury]

I have contacted Yooka support a few times with no response. Ditto for their Twitter site. I have always found their communication (of lack of it) somewhat strange. I just want to pull my music. Shame as I have wasted a long time key wording, categorizing etc.

As for libraries, there was a good website for artists sharing their experience with music libaries called "Music Libary Report" until the person running the site got greedy and wanted expensive subscriptions. Now there seems to be only SOS but obviously folk here are very guarded.

[Veeagra]

He's not being greedy, he's just trying to get paid for his work, same as we all are!

[Marbury]

He's not being greedy, he's just trying to get paid for his work, same as we all are!

Touche !

[Veeagra]

You can still use the forum for free on that site (if I'm allowed to promote other forums on here )

[Marbury]

I just tried and it said I do not have permission to use it.

[Veeagra]

Ahaa, that reminds me, I set up a Facebook group page called Library Music Business and then promptly forgot about it so please feel free to join. We should be up to about 5 or 6 members soon!

[Pete Kaine]

we are offering a new type of license which is called “Personal Use / Non Commercial” at the price of 1,50 euros. This license is intended for individuals (only) who want to license music for the non commercial videos they are posting on platforms such as YouTube. If you don’t want your music to be licensed for this specific use, you can disable this option track by track

So basically they are giving away music this cheaply and if I want to disable the option I will have to go through nearly 100 tracks one by one. I do feel like pulling all my tracks.

Anyone else still with them or have walked ? Talk about a race to the bottom.

Ok, devils advocate time. With the introduction of this new price point / licence have they lowered the the fee's charged for the same music being used in your traditional channels?

Youtube/Twitch etc... are having a boon regarding streaming, let's play type channels where people sit around and do games commentary for an hour or two at a time. The copyrite protection routines are getting good enough that they are muting a lot of audio on these sorts of shows automatically now stright off the bat rather than sitting around for the DMCA notice.

Now I'm not saying that 1.50 euro is a fair price but where a channel needs and hours worth of music per video but is only going to be getting a few thousand views total per vid where's the middle ground and they are not making money from it? Yes the should be scalability in place where the price should allow for a larger share in the event that the channel becomes large enough for a profit share (I know artists doing this already in private deals on streaming channels where they are managing to get a commercial return), but how do the upstart streamers get a footing and grow a channel if they need to spend more money on music licences than the equiptment to record it?

Everyone wants... hell, needs to get paid and I agree the current models don't strike a middle ground or allow for fair scaleability. In fact right now, if someone can come up with a model than can handle this fairly, the is a hell of a lot of money to made in the future I'm sure. But the devils advocate stance is, if your still getting your previous sales via your previous channels and this is simply forcing a new market to pay for thier music use, is this not a step forward (no matter how small) from the usage and no copyrite protection we've seen with video streaming services up until this point?

[stewartjames008]

Yooko Music provide music for videos, music for films, music for ads, music for advertisements. It simplifies music licensing by bringing together those who need music and those who offer music.

[Guest]

Yooka on films? errr yeah now you mention it I think I heard some on my sisters wedding vid.

[Marbury]

Yooka on films? errr yeah now you mention it I think I heard some on my sisters wedding vid.

Was it a drone ?

[Guest]

Yooka on films? errr yeah now you mention it I think I heard some on my sisters wedding vid.

Was it a drone ?

I think it was from the album 'Drone Alone vol.1'

Serizly, I think libraries like Yooka are great tho cos if it weren't for the likes of them no one would buy those Time n Space sample CDs from the 90s. No, they show just what can be created by assembling pre-made loops into an original song arrangement. And of course, they keep the spirit of General Midi very much alive which is another good thing.