Good hardware reverb?

[Arpangel]

I’ve been disappearing into pedal land for quite some time now, liking the simple user interfaces and rack unit sound quality of today’s pedals. But sometimes I’m missing slightly more in depth editing, and on top of this I’m missing certain sounds that I used to have in hardware, my Eventide H3000, and Lexicon 224.
I’m well aware of the reliability issues of vintage stuff, and I’d like to try and get something current, mainly for reverb, I’d like hardware, not software.
One unit that intrigues me is the Eventide 2016 by Princeton Digital, I’ve read the SOS review, but nowhere can I seem to find out things like maximum reverb times etc, I like using long dense reverbs, so this is important. I’m also looking at the Lexicon PCM92, but it’s an unknown quantity, I’m not sure it’ll give me what I want.
I know it’s asking a lot, but I’d like something that is capable of very realistic small rooms, but can also get really far out, my Lexicon 224 could do those things, incredibly realistic small spaces and mega-large crazy and dense if needed, but I really don’t want the UAD plug, it’s not what I’m looking for.
Any info about the 2016? Could be a contender if the reverb times are flexible enough.

[Hugh Robjohns]

Any info about the 2016? Could be a contender if the reverb times are flexible enough.

I can't remember how long the max decay was. It was certainly longer than would ever be needed in typical music mixing applications... but I know that's of no use for your weirdness requirements!

However, there is a plugin that uses the exact same algorithms and I believe that has a free time-limited demo mode, so it might be an idea to download that and try it out on the computer to see if the hardware equivalent will suit.

[ManFromGlass]

If you are missing certain sounds, I have memories of very quirky and fun lexicon patches so know what you mean, then the only thing that will satisfy is getting those same units again.
One problem I face sometimes is my memory builds up the sound to more than it was and going back is a let down, although other times pulling up a familiar patch brings back that ahah smile.

[Arpangel]

Any info about the 2016? Could be a contender if the reverb times are flexible enough.

I can't remember how long the max decay was. It was certainly longer than would ever be needed in typical music mixing applications... but I know that's of no use for your weirdness requirements!

However, there is a plugin that uses the exact same algorithms and I believe that has a free time-limited demo mode, so it might be an idea to download that and try it out on the computer to see if the hardware equivalent will suit.

Good idea, I’m sure it will be fine regarding decay times, I need to compare it with the flavour of the current Lexicons, I’d consider a PCM91 or similar too, I’m not going down the 480 960 route, as they have very noisy fans, not suited to our set-up. When I had my 224 it was on the end of a 10 metre remote extension in an outside hallway, it was literally like a hoover.

[Zukan]

PCMs are very affordable nowadays. There are literally tons of very good verbs out there, from Roland SRV330 to Eventide's H3K, TC M3/5000 to Bricasti M7, Sony DRE to the Eventide 2016 and on and on and on.....

[MOF]

If you want to invest in or already have the 500 series racks then the AMS RMX 16 is available.
I have the UAD version and really like it.
https://www.dv247.com/en_GB/GBP/AMS-Nev ... gIzSfD_BwE

[muzines]

I can't remember how long the max decay was.

Hmm, "Max Decay" should definitely be some synthwave artist name, for sure...

[Aled Hughes]

Just sent you a PM

[Arpangel]

Just sent you a PM

Many thanks! Yes, I’m on the case!

[Arpangel]

Just tried to download the trial 2016, but it’s asked to set up "i Lock" Not sure about this?
Also been reading about the PCM91, a lot of people seem to say it’s very "characterful" Any opinions?
I’m now looking at things like the TC M4000.

[Drew Stephenson]

ILok is a common bit of copy-protection software. It used to involve a hardware dongle as well. Lots of early users seem to have scare stories about it but I've been using the software-only version for plenty of years with no issues.

[Arpangel]

ILok is a common bit of copy-protection software. It used to involve a hardware dongle as well. Lots of early users seem to have scare stories about it but I've been using the software-only version for plenty of years with no issues.

Thanks, but I just can’t be bothered, just for a free trial.

[Hugh Robjohns]

You're a hard man to please..... oh... wait...

[Arpangel]

You're a hard man to please..... oh... wait...

I know, it’s terrible, my enthusiasm is demolished by the tiniest bit of resistance, it’s just all too much effort. I need a personal assistant, like, yesterday. If I had the money I’d advertise, and keep someone on the pay role just to do this stuff, I’d seriously do it if I had a big enough project to work on.

[ManFromGlass]

Finding a personal assistant is a big project

[Arpangel]

Finding a personal assistant is a big project

Yes, as soon as you get a bit recognised, and get some money, it seems de rigueur.
I could go for that, no more having to buy stuff, deal with music shops, technical problems etc, worth paying for a PA definitely.

[ManFromGlass]

A term of affection we used to use over here many years ago was Bumboy.
Is that not PC anymore?

[Arpangel]

A term of affection we used to use over here many years ago was Bumboy.
Is that not PC anymore?

I’m talking about someone who actually knows how to do stuff, in a way I don’t, someone who can bring something to the table creatively not just run errands and do,paperwork. Someone who can make something happen, an idea I have I don’t know how make reality, they would know technically, how to make it possible.

[ManFromGlass]

Yup, Bumboy or Bumgirl.
Generally smarter than the person that employs them, up on the latest tech, can solder with one hand while rewiring the studio with the other so it’s better, while archiving every single patch for hardware with diagrams with the other while they tell you to make your own effing tea! And that’s just a start to their abilities.

[Arpangel]

Yup, Bumboy or Bumgirl.
Generally smarter than the person that employs them, up on the latest tech, can solder with one hand while rewiring the studio with the other so it’s better, while archiving every single patch for hardware with diagrams with the other while they tell you to make your own effing tea! And that’s just a start to their abilities.

There is no way I’d let someone make my coffee, or clean up my mess, but I’d be very happy to let them solder, set-up gear and go and buy stuff. All things I hate.

[Arpangel]

Back to reverbs, I’ve ordered a 2016 rack, thanks for all the offers and help, but it sounds like it will be perfect for what I need, hardware, knobs, dead easy to,use, and a very flexible sound, from straight to wild.

[R_A]

Back to reverbs, I’ve ordered a 2016 rack, thanks for all the offers and help, but it sounds like it will be perfect for what I need, hardware, knobs, dead easy to,use, and a very flexible sound, from straight to wild.

Great choice. I've been using the 2016 plugin since the Princeton Digital days, which I later upgraded to vst Eventide SP2016 Reverb. I've also previously hired a SP2016 (the old black hardware version) for an album mix down. It's a very nice reverb to work with - enjoy!

[Aled Hughes]

I very much like the 2016 plugin

[Arpangel]

Yes, it’s well regarded, some things are right first time round, no matter what the technology used, and they never get improved on, like my Lexicon 224 they become classics.

[IvanSC]

ILok is a common bit of copy-protection software. It used to involve a hardware dongle as well. Lots of early users seem to have scare stories about it but I've been using the software-only version for plenty of years with no issues.

Thanks, but I just can’t be bothered, just for a free trial.

Hi Tony! FWIW I got the 2016 room trial & it doesnt really give you much of an idea of what the rest of the plugin is going to be like. Frankly I dont find myself reaching for it too often, but then I have a bunch of other plugins that do the job well & I alerady know how they work... sometimes it isnt worth laving to learn a whole bunch of new swtuff in the hope that a plugin may have hidden depths that you can use..