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HOWTO: Installing a USB floppy emulator in a Korg Trinity

Post by Eddy Deegan »

After many years the inevitable happened and the floppy drive on my Trinity died. I could probably have replaced it but given the floppies themselves are old as well I decided to go the USB emulator route.

Although emulators are available, finding the right one and getting it to work is/was a nightmare so here's the rundown for anyone with a Trinity wanting to do the same.

There may be (and almost certainly are) alternatives to the information below but this is the route I took.

The emulator I installed in the Trinity is a Gotek SFR1 M44-U100K. I've seen these re-branded, and the spacing in the model number varies from place to place but they should all work.

This emulator does not support the Disk Ready signal that a lot of floppy drives used to indicate disk changes. There is another model in the range that does, which is the SFR1 M44-U100K-R (note the "R" at the end) but the Trinity does not work with that emulator if the Drive Ready signal is enabled. It does work if the Disk Ready signal is disabled however, so it's a perfectly valid alternative emulator to use.

When using either of these emulators, it is best to download and install the Ketron Virtual Floppy Explorer utilities. These can be found here at the time of writing (scroll down and look for the download labelled "Scarica il software di gestione per Windows7". The software itself is in English) and consists of a utility to format a USB stick to work with the emulator as well as a utility to transfer files to and from the virtual floppies on the stick.

Update (17th November 2022): the link to the software above no longer works, try this: https://www.ketron.it/en/software-2/usb-floppy-software.

The version you want is the Windows 7 software (the XP version is a formatter only) and the downloaded file is called FdUsbW7_ketron.exe. It works fine on Windows 10.

The SFR1 M44-U100K supports up to 1000 virtual floppies (numbered 0-999) on a single USB stick, and the SFR1 M44-U100K-R supports up to 100 (numbered 0-99). My advice is to stick to 100 regardless of the emulator model. Also, use a small USB stick - I found 4Gb ones to work well.

Once partitioned and formatted by the Ketron utility, the USB stick should only be written to by the Ketron Virtual Floppy File Explorer and the Korg Trinity itself. Do not use Windows file explorer to drag files onto the stick as this may corrupt it to the point that it cannot even be reformatted.

Regardless of which of the above emulators you are using, you will need to change the jumpers on it before installation such that Drive 1 is selected (the default is Drive 0). To do this, set the jumpers as shown in the picture below:
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The above picture shows the SFR1 M44-U100K connected to the Trinity - note that the stripe on the IDE cable is at the end nearest the power connector.

The above jumper settings will disable the Drive Ready signals from the SFR1 M44-U100K-R, but as I said before, the Korg Trinity doesn't work with them anyway and if they are enabled then it won't see the disks on the USB stick.

Once everything is back together again, you can select a virtual floppy number using the two buttons on the front of the emulator (the left does single digits, the right does 10s). There is no decrement button however... to select a lower numbered floppy you have to roll back to disk 00 by incrementing the values and start over.

Once DISK mode has been selected on the Trinity, all being well you should see the contents of whichever virtual floppy you have selected. However at that point you're stuck with that floppy for the duration of the session; the Trinity will not recognise disk changes unless you have the HDR-TRI option installed on the Trinity. If you do, then you can change disk number without rebooting by going into the "Audio Utilities" tab in DISK mode and selecting "Select Mount Mode" from the drop-down menu in the top right of the screen:
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This will pop up a dialogue box allowing you to select between "HD Only" or "Removable Only" for the hard drive(s) supported by the HDR option. If you set this to "Removable Only" then the Korg will re-evaluate all the drives including the floppy, which makes it recognise the disk change.

It can all be a bit fiddly and daunting to set up, and most Trinity users don't have the HDR option so will have to live without the ability to change disks but hopefully the information above will save someone some headscratching and having a working emulator in the Korg really does breathe new life into it.

With the USB emulator up and running you can save/load as normal from the Trinity, and you can drag files off the USB stick in Windows (Windows Explorer will only see the first floppy) as well as access all the individual floppies via the Ketron software so at least you can back your data up easily.

If anyone knows of an emulator that the Trinity can use that natively supports recognising disk changes, then I'd love to know about it, although in my case the workaround using the HDR-TRI option does the trick as well.
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a USB floppy emulator in a Korg Trinity

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Wow, this is a fantastic tutorial - thanks so much!! I got a Trinity Pro X in December and have had almost no need for the floppy drive (yet) but have considered making the switch to an emulator in order to future proof myself. I really love this keyboard and plan to keep it forever. Thanks for giving your time and effort to create this guide!
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a USB floppy emulator in a Korg Trinity

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Very interesting! I didn’t know such things existed...
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a USB floppy emulator in a Korg Trinity

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nickle15 wrote:Wow, this is a fantastic tutorial - thanks so much!! I got a Trinity Pro X in December and have had almost no need for the floppy drive (yet) but have considered making the switch to an emulator in order to future proof myself. I really love this keyboard and plan to keep it forever. Thanks for giving your time and effort to create this guide!

I'm glad it was useful to someone! It's one of those things where getting things set up correctly is a pain until you have the right info, but usually the right info isn't available until after you've done it.

Having all my old floppies safely stored on the PC and USB stick, and being able to access them from the Trinity is definitely a feel-good thing.

I'm going to have a go at installing an emulator in one of my Yamaha SY85s this weekend, although that's a different emulator as it had a single sided 720kB drive as opposed to the more common 1.44Mb format.

resistorman wrote:Very interesting! I didn’t know such things existed...

USB emulators as replacements for floppy drives have been around for a while, but documentation for them is usually abysmal or non-existent. As there were so many flavours of floppy drive not everything is compatible with everything else so they can be very tiresome to get up and running unless you're lucky.

If you have an old device which you like a lot it's definitely worth the effort though.
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a USB floppy emulator in a Korg Trinity

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This is a project I promised to do on my Yamaha EX5 some time ago. Never got around to it, unfortunately.
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a USB floppy emulator in a Korg Trinity

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Hi Eddy, nice tutorial. I did the same for both my Yamaha SY77 and Ensoniq SQ80, description of the latter here:

https://www.2btech.co.uk/keys-modules/a ... y-emulator

It is more about fitting of the drive and the peculiar issues related to the SQ80’s odd disk format. In both cases I opted to go with a seller on eBay, Chris Poacher, who has a good working knowledge of how to set up the drives, and who supplies drives with tiny OLED screens which allow you to read Bank names etc - if you are wearing your glasses! I seem to recall there was a particular jumper configuration needed on the SY77 to get it to recognise disk changes - I’ll have a look at my emails and see if I can find it, might be useful for your SY85.

A couple of thoughts. As well as the plain vanilla 3-digit display plus 2 buttons, some people have modified firmware/hardware to enable the OLED screen and also to incorporate an encoder knob, which I would imagine makes life easier than the tiny buttons.

It is worth searching Google/ Ebay to see what might be available pre-configured for your synth. I see OLED/encoder drives for Akai samplers, for example, at around £40. It would be well worth the extra £20 or so not to buy a cheap drive and have to configure it yourself.

One company that has done a lot of this is Nailbantov, but at £120-140, they charge quite a premium for their knowledge.

Good luck to everyone who treads this path, it can be quite fiddly, as you found, Eddy. One other thought is that if you want ready access to 100’s / 1000’s of patches in hardware (as opposed to MIDI sysex dump) consider some of the modern memory card recreations. I purchased one for my SQ80 which emulates 16 ram cards (16x80 patches = quite a lot) and another card for Yamaha synths which can be shared between SY77, V50 and TG33. These multi-card devices have a rotary switch to select the bank. They typically cost something over £100, but when you look at the cost of single-bank vintage cards, which are probably technically inferior, that’s not so bad.

The joys of hardware :bouncy: Wouldn’t have it any other way.
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a USB floppy emulator in a Korg Trinity

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Exploring online recently and bookmarked this site, then I remembered Eddy posting about something similar.

https://floppyusbemulator.com

I bookmarked it because I have a Kurzweil (cheers Eddy) and an EMU ESI32 that both have floppy drives. But I also noticed that they have a drive for Korg and a range of drives for Yamaha, including the SY family. Exploring the site it appears that they have done a lot of work on compatibility, do seem to go the extra mile with support, and even offer a service to transfer floppy drive contents to comparable USB sticks.

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Hi Andy - Nalbantov are great and do indeed seem to have really worked to resolved compatibility issues. However, they are 2-4x more expensive (at around £120-140) than some other solutions. If you are a professional this could easily be worthwhile. If you are a hobbyist, maybe you would rather struggle a little with other suppliers.

Having said that, music tech forums are littered with "I can't get this USB emulator working - help!" requests...
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a USB floppy emulator in a Korg Trinity

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BillB wrote:Having said that, music tech forums are littered with "I can't get this USB emulator working - help!" requests...
:headbang:

Indeed, that learning curve can be a very high price to pay. When you realise that you don't know enough to ask the right questions, let alone understand the answers. And sometimes, even if you do have the knowledge and skills to do it yourself your time might be better spent on using those skills more profitably or, heaven forfend, making music.

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zenguitar wrote:or, heaven forfend, making music.

Really, what a naive view of the purpose of music technology :headbang:
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a USB floppy emulator in a Korg Trinity

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Thanks for the link Andy - I've bookmarked it for future reference. It's true that they are a lot pricier than the completely self-researched options, but in some cases it's practical to save a lot of hassle and pay more for a plug-n-play model that just works straight off the bat.

If I have any issues with the emulator I have waiting to go into one of my SY85s I'll definitely take the easier option!
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a USB floppy emulator in a Korg Trinity

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BillB wrote:
zenguitar wrote:or, heaven forfend, making music.

Really, what a naive view of the purpose of music technology :headbang:

Don't worry, I am not as naive as it first appears. Not only am I assembling a Eurorack, but I've purchased a couple of modules in kit form and am looking at more kits. The Expert Sleepers MIDI expander for the ES-9 was simple. But the joystick and mic/instrument pre-amp are both stuffed full of surface mount components.

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zenguitar wrote:But the joystick and mic/instrument pre-amp are both stuffed full of surface mount components.

Now that's more like it: surface-mount soldering, MIDI NRPNs and Sysex, CPU drop-outs, impedance mismatches, jumper pins on disk drives and emulators....

Nothing to do with actually making music - perish the thought. Having said that, there are times when a pair of bongo drums has a certain immediate appeal. :crazy:
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BillB wrote:Nothing to do with actually making music - perish the thought. Having said that, there are times when a pair of bongo drums has a certain immediate appeal. :crazy:

But first you have to find a suitable tree, and an appropriate animal to skin... ;)
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blinddrew wrote:
BillB wrote:Nothing to do with actually making music - perish the thought. Having said that, there are times when a pair of bongo drums has a certain immediate appeal. :crazy:

But first you have to find a suitable tree, and an appropriate animal to skin... ;)

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Re: HOWTO: Installing a USB floppy emulator in a Korg Trinity

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Ooh, back on-topic (briefly...)

That Nalbantov website really does cover a lot of devices (ALL the devices?) when you dig into it.
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a USB floppy emulator in a Korg Trinity

Post by Stan Citrine »

Hi all. I've bee reading this thread and have a similar issue trying to install a gotek usb drive to my Korg 01w proX. I just can't get the thing to save to a partitioned usb stick. I've followed all the advice given so far but still no luck.

I keep getting this message.

ERROR: Drive not ready

Any advise welcome.
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a USB floppy emulator in a Korg Trinity

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Hello there,

I have a Trinity Pro X. It says HDR-TRI on the screen when turning on.

I installed the Gotek and have the same issue: disks are not changing and not recognized unless I turn the Trinity off and on again. Only one disk at a time, what is a real inconvenient.

As I have the HDR-TRI, I wanted to follow the steps explains here going to Audio Util. but it does not show any option to touch as all of them except the top one appears blur. I am wondering why it does now show up those options?

Any advice is welcome.

Thank you!
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a USB floppy emulator in a Korg Trinity

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Teklas wrote: As I have the HDR-TRI, I wanted to follow the steps explains here going to Audio Util. but it does not show any option to touch as all of them except the top one appears blur. I am wondering why it does now show up those options?

Hi Teklas,

What version of the OS are you running? If you're not using the latest then I'd strongly recommend upgrading it. Apart from anything else it improves the response time of the touchscreen from versions prior to 2.41.

If you have the MOSS-TRI expansion board installed (the 6-voice version) then the latest OS is 3.11.
If you have the Solo-TRI expansion board installed (the mono-version), or if you have neither of these expansions then the latest OS is 2.41.

You can get both of these OS versions from here (for version 2.41 use the 'click here for previous versions' button to see it):
https://www.korg.com/us/support/downloa ... /213/3294/

Do not install 3.11 if you have the Solo-TRI board, as it'll stop working!
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a USB floppy emulator in a Korg Trinity

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My Trinity Pro X version is 2.0.0. I don't have MOSS installed so the upgrade would be the 2.41

I was thinking about to update the version but I have this problem, you will tell me how to fix it or how can I do the update

As you may know the update requires two disk. I don't have the floppy drive anymore but the Gotek emulator. There is no issue to have the data from the disks converted to have them on USB.

However, as the emulator is not recognizing disk changes, my concern is what to do when the system will prompt to insert disk number 2 as most probably it will not recognize the change.

I do assume I will have to put data for first disk as floppy cero (for instance) and data for second disk as floppy one. When I do insert the USB and press Disk, the screen shows floppy cero. However, when I change the number to one in the emulator, it does not change the floppy in the screen as it still shows floppy cero even after going back to other mode and returning to disk mode. Touching the screen does not update the floppy either.

Now let me tell you something. There is no change in the floppy shown in the screen. However, when I do change the floppy number in the emulator, it recognizes somehow changes in data even when the wrong floppy name and wrong folder.

For example.

I have a folder named Pro X with programs and combi saved as floppy cero.
I have another foleder called Letusa with other programs and combi saved as floppy one.

With emulator shown 000, disk shows floppy cero and folder Pro X. When pressing open, it shows programs and Combi for that folder.

Now, if I go up to 001 in the emulator, there is no change in the screen. It still shows floppy cero and folder Pro X. However, when I do upon the folder Pro X it shows me programs and Combi for the Letusa folder (001) even when the pathway at the top shows Pro X folder.

Being said that, do you have any suggestion how to update the OS to 2.4.1 under these circumstances? May I take the risk trying to see if it recognizes USB?
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a USB floppy emulator in a Korg Trinity

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Ahh, that is a good point. I have no idea if you can upgrade the OS using an emulator. It would depend if the Trinity checks for the second disk automatically or whether it relies on the disk change signal. If it's the second, then I would say that upgrading the OS using the USB emulator is not a good idea as the Trinity can become non-functional if an OS upgrade goes wrong.

In your situation I would be inclined to install a floppy disk drive to upgrade the OS, and then install the emulator afterwards. It would be worth upgrading it as version 2.41 did improve the screen response time quite noticeably.

I don't know why your menu options are blurred out in the Audio Tools tab, but as you are running an earlier version of the operating system than I am, that seems a distinct possiblity.

I am going to talk to a friend of mine who I know has installed the same emulator that I have as I seem to remember they might have mentioned a workaround that allows it to change disks using another method.

I'll post a reply to this thread tomorrow when I've spoken to them.
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I was thinking about that risk to become non operational if the OS upgrading goes wrong or get stuck in the middle of the process. that is why I did not do it yet. I was thinking to find out another floppy disk to upgrade to take the easy way and reinstall the emulator after it. However, is difficult to get a floppy drive these days, you know.

I really appreciate you ask your friend. I will be waiting for your reply to have a much clear idea about what to do.

I forgot to mention that even floppy is not changed in the screen but in the emulator, when it does recognizes another data as I explained earlier it shows only pcg data, not sng data. I have some folders with both but only shows pcg for program and combi but not their demos unless that is the initial option selected in the emulator before pressing disk mode. Weird, right?
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a USB floppy emulator in a Korg Trinity

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Sorry for my stupid question here but I have no idea of this:

can any floppy drive works with Trinity or it must have to be an specific floppy drive made for the workstation?

I found out one in Amazon but is a regular floppy drive for computer, not for keyboards. It has the 17 pins connection. Do you think it will work of it needs something internal else? This is the floppy drive

https://www.amazon.com/Internal-Floppy- ... 25&sr=8-36
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Re: HOWTO: Installing a USB floppy emulator in a Korg Trinity

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Teklas wrote: can any floppy drive works with Trinity or it must have to be an specific floppy drive made for the workstation?

I found out one in Amazon but is a regular floppy drive for computer, not for keyboards. It has the 17 pins connection.

The answer is 'maybe'. Although the Trinity used a standard drive, unfortunately floppy drives were not all exactly the same and there were minor differences in pin function on different models. It would certainly be worth trying though, as a spare floppy disk is never a bad thing to have floating around for general purposes anyway and it may come in useful for another device at a later date if it doesn't work with the Trinity.

I've emailed my friend about the possible disk change workaround, and I'll let you know as soon as they get back to me.
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