Thoughts on PMC Result 6 compared to Neumann KH120’s?

[dickiefunk]

Hi,

At the moment I’m using a pair of Neumann KH120’s which I really like a lot. However, I do find the soft of these slightly “soft” for want of a better description

I have read Hughs review of the Result6 and am quite interested to know how the Transmission Line port and D-Fins affect their performance? Also, I’ve heard these are voiced slightly brighter than the KH120’s and have a little more depth of bass!?

Ideally I’d like to get to hear these for myself at some point but am curious to hear if anyone has compared them and if the Result6 would be a step up from the KH120’s?

[Hugh Robjohns]

At the moment I’m using a pair of Neumann KH120’s which I really like a lot. However, I do find the soft of these slightly “soft” for want of a better description

There is a +1dB treble option. Does that help?

I have read Hughs review of the Result6 and am quite interested to know how the Transmission Line port and D-Fins affect their performance? Also, I’ve heard these are voiced slightly brighter than the KH120’s and have a little more depth of bass!?

The R6 is a much bigger box, with an ATL line and vent, so greater bass extension is inevitable. I'm not sure I would have said it was voice brighter than the KH120. I've not compared them side by side but my gut says they are actually both fairly neutrally voiced.

Of you're seeking something less 'soft' I'd suggest something with a bit more midrange push than outright brightness. Maybe one of the Genelecs or Adams?

[dickiefunk]

Thanks Hugh. I will try the +1dB setting on the KH120.
Will there be any worthwhile improvements to be gained from the Result6 over the KH120 other than bass extension?

[Hugh Robjohns]

There would be some incremental improvements, but the KH120 really is a remarkably good and accurate monitor speaker that performs significantly above it's price would suggest IMHO. So you'd be paying twice the price for a 15% improvement...

And it's always worth remembering that good accurate monitors aren't mean to impress; they are meant to inform.

But if you want more bass and volume then I'd consider adding the KH750 sub (assuming your room acoustics can cope) to the KH120s. Or save up for a little longer and jump to the three-way KH310s (or other models of that quality level).

The Result 6 is a very good speaker, of course, but I'm not sure that you would really gain a lot in swapping to them.

[dickiefunk]

Thanks Hugh. Yes I completely agree that the KH120’s are remarkably good and accurate. I really do like them a lot!!
As you can probably remember, I already have an EVE TS108 sub that I use with the KH120’s. I picked up a TS108 because it was smaller and doesn’t quite have the bass extension of the KH750 (33hz vs 18hz) for my small room. This works pretty well though I do mix a fair amount on just the KH120’s by themselves.

If I’m not likely to gain a lot with the Result6’s I will probably stick with what I already have.
The KH310’s are at the top of my list if I had the funds but these are completely out of my budget!

I do wonder if Neumann are likely to update the KH120’s at any point as they were released nearly 10 years ago. However, they still appear to be and best seller at around £1000 so doubt if they will be in any hurry to do so!?

[Hugh Robjohns]

I suspect the KH80 has got most of the KH120 ground covered already. If I was head of KH production I'd be working on a DSP version of the 310 next, and then a 410 replacement.

[dickiefunk]

Yes good point.

[rggillespie]

When I upgraded from my first monitors I went for the KH120s, but surprisingly I found they just weren't for me. I knew the Neumann monitors were very popular here with many happy users, so it must just be me and a personal taste thing I think. The dealer took them back and in the end I bought some secondhand pmc speakers called two two sixes, for a little more than the price of the result 6s. Much more than I wanted to spend for sure, but I've not looked back since I'm very pleased with them. All the monitor I'll ever need and I've not read a monitor review since. Not sure how popular they are or how often they crop up secondhand but perhaps worth keeping an eye out for and considering?

[dickiefunk]

Thanks. I’m aware of the PMC TwoTwo’s and those would also be very high on my list (along with the KH310’s, Hedd Type20 mk2 and PSI A17) if I wasn’t limited by budget.

I’m not necessarily saying the KH120’s aren’t for me as I really do like these monitors a lot.
I was offered a secondhand pair of Result6’s at a very good price and was curious to know if they are a worthwhile step up.

[Hugh Robjohns]

There's a very big difference in both the technology and capabilities of the Result6s and the TwoTwos.

...as there is between any traditional analogue speaker and any DSP-aligned speaker!

[dickiefunk]

Hi Hugh,

What are your thoughts on the PSI A17m vs PMC Result6?

Overall I love my Neumann KH120's but would like a little more bass extension. I've been using the Eve TS108 8" sub which is a really good sub but it's too much for my room for really accurate mixing. It can be useful for getting a rough idea of what's going on around 35-50hz but I wouldn't rely on it for total accuracy.
I often see the PMC Result6's come up secondhand for around £1200-£1400 per pair. Also, the PSI A17's come up for around £1500-£1700. The Neumann KH310's would possibly be overkill again for my room as they go deeper than the PMC's and PSI's. Also, they still tend to cost around £2500+ secondhand!

What are your thoughts on the PSI A17M vs the PMC Result6's? How do they compare to the Neumann KH120's?

[orfeusss]

Hugh, please answer the above question about PSI A17 vs Neumann KH120 and PMC Result 6.
I’m also interested in your answer.

[Hugh Robjohns]

Apologies for missing these posts first time around.

These are all good speakers in the general scheme of things, but the PSI A17 is a much more sophisticated and capable design than either the Result6 or KH120

However, if your goal is greater bass extension and accuracy, the room is everything. As you've already found with the sub, its not easy to get a smooth, consistent low end, and the cost and capability of a speaker isn't as important as properly controlling standing wave resonances in the room.

[Nazard]

Apologies for splicing onto this thread, but I wondered whether Neumann might release an updated KH 80, just to sort out some of the niggles which have been discussed on this forum? All firmware/software related.

I have an interest, as I am moving shortly, and one room will have extensive acoustic treatment: so KH 80 plus the KH 750. Alternatively, the KEF Meta route, which appeals, more from heart than brain, though.

[dickiefunk]

Yeah I’m wondering if Neumann are planning to either update their KH120 or KH310 with added dsp. Also wondering if they are planning on bringing anything new to the market.

[Nazard]

The KH120 always seems somewhat orphaned, in terms of its abilities and price point.

But KH310s with DSP: now that would tempt me!

[Hugh Robjohns]

The KH80s are an updated KH120.

A KH320 (seems a likely number choice) with DSP would seem a logical next product addition... but I have no insider information.

[Bob Bickerton]

Apologies for splicing onto this thread, but I wondered whether Neumann might release an updated KH 80, just to sort out some of the niggles which have been discussed on this forum? All firmware/software related.

It's only a problem if you want to use the 'Auto-Standby' mode, which I don't - I treat them like every other active speaker I've ever used and switch them on when I want to use them!

I really like the KH 80s and preferred them to my PMC Result 6s which have now been sold.

Bob

[Arpangel]

Apologies for splicing onto this thread, but I wondered whether Neumann might release an updated KH 80, just to sort out some of the niggles which have been discussed on this forum? All firmware/software related.

It's only a problem if you want to use the 'Auto-Standby' mode, which I don't - I treat them like every other active speaker I've ever used and switch them on when I want to use them!

I really like the KH 80s and preferred them to my PMC Result 6s which have now been sold.

Bob

Just wondering what it is you liked about the KH 80’s over the PMC's?

[Bob Bickerton]

Firstly I should say that I had been a PMC user for sometime and had the TB2SAs before the Result 6s. I liked the 'family' sound, especially for acoustic music which is what I mainly record.

I bought the KH 80s more or less on a whim having read a good review in SOS. I was wanting location recording monitors that I could easily fit into a Pelican case, but when I put them up against the PMCs, I really enjoyed the soundstage presented. I felt I had all the detail I required, but could also hear into the mix more, if that makes sense. The stereo imaging is very good indeed.

Nothing wrong with the PMCs but I felt I really wasn't missing anything by using the Neumanns and I decided I would be better off just working with one set of monitors for both studio and location, rather than swap them around.

I don't use a sub with them, which again is not normally a problem for my work, and I can always check the low end on headphones if I think I need to.

Bob