Korg Trinity Factory Pre-Load

[nickle15]

Any way to inject the factory pre load data into my Trinity if the drive has failed? Besides the obvious solution of replacing the drive. Didn't know if I could fix it via MIDI. Thanks for your time!

[Eddy Deegan]

The Trinity can transmit its entire state over MIDI as a SysEx dump. Something like MIDI Ox could store that, then replay it back.

You'd need a SysEx dump of course, but if you have MIDI Ox then I can probably help by loading my factory set into the Trinity, dumping it to MIDI Ox and saving it as a .SYX file for you to replay at your end although I probably won't be able to do this until late Saturday.

Also, I'm not sure if a dump from my Trinity Plus would load successfully into a Trinity without the SOLO option, but it's worth a try if you can use MIDI Ox.

[nickle15]

The Trinity can transmit its entire state over MIDI as a SysEx dump. Something like MIDI Ox could store that, then replay it back.

You'd need a SysEx dump of course, but if you have MIDI Ox then I can probably help by loading my factory set into the Trinity, dumping it to MIDI Ox and saving it as a SysEx file for you to replay at your end although I probably won't be able to do this until late Saturday.

Also, I'm not sure if a dump from my Trinity Plus would load successfully into a Trinity without the SOLO option, but it's worth a try if you can use MIDI Ox.

The brief backstory - I bought the floppies from a dealer online and contacted him as the Trinity was telling me I had unformatted disks. He mentioned the belt was likely broken because the floppies were new. So tonight I ordered a refurb drive. If that doesn't bring me any joy I will gladly take you up on the Sysex file, and I appreciate you offering! I have the Trinity Plus also so we should match right up.

As a side note, when I did the factory reset I noticed a line on the Initializing screen that says Trinity Version 2.2.0 and then below that a line that says MOSS Version 03. I haven't opened the machine up but the S bank was present before I attempted the factory restore so I assume there isn't a MOSS card in there. Any thoughts on that?

Thanks Eddy!

[Eddy Deegan]

It looks like there is a MOSS card in there, though there were two versions of the hardware expansion. The SOLO-TRI is a monophonic card and the MOSS-TRI is a 6-voice polyphonic card.

SOLO-TRI only works with OS versions up to 2.x (and won't work with 3.x) and the MOSS-TRI only works with 3.x so if yours has 2.x installed then I'd say we've both got the SOLO-TRI

I think it's all worth a try anyway ... I might be able to get a dump sometime tomorrow night for you (I said Saturday as that's the first time I know I'll be able to for sure). I'll post back as soon as I have an update.

I'd do it immediately if I could but I'm working late tonight for a code delivery with a deadline by the end of tomorrow, plus I'm in the middle of a new studio build and have some logistics involved to extract the Trinity from temporary storage and then get it set up/connected to my DAW which is also hiding in a forest of other carefully stacked/stored synths at the moment and the process will require some time, which I'm really short of until the weekend!

[nickle15]

Thanks a lot! I hate for you to go to all that trouble but I’m glad to give it a try. I appreciate it, and take your time! I’ve got an Opsix arriving tomorrow so that should prove a great distraction.

[Eddy Deegan]

Sorry it was a day late, something came up yesterday, but here we go:

TrinityFactory.stx

This is a MIDI Ox .syx file of a whole system dump (and I suspect the global config state also) of my Trinity, which is currently in factory mode.

As I understand it, this is a pure binary file of data emitted from the Trinity when I dumped its entire state as SysEx. As such it should be acceptable to any software you have that can load binary SysEx files and replay them.

Hopefully it works

[nickle15]

Thanks so much, and no worries on the timing. I got an opsix and have lost a lot of time on that!

I was able to get the file you sent and loaded into my librarian but so far no luck getting the Trinity to accept it. I'll do some reading though - there's bound to be some good resources out there. Just wanted you to know I got the file and really appreciate your assistance. Thanks again!

[nickle15]

Well, I don't know what I did differently but now my Trinity screen has showed "Dump all Data Now Receiving MIDI Data" and at the end of that operation there are no new programs. But - at least I can tell information is being transmitted from my computer and received by the Trinity. So I've got that going for me!

I'm going to try adjusting the sending speed to see if that helps...

[nickle15]

Wow, I'm dumb. Tried it several times, different cables, etc. with no luck. I just now thought maybe I should power it off. That did the trick. Completely restored and I appreciate your help!!!

[Eddy Deegan]

Phew! Glad it worked, and that makes it all worthwhile

[sourvillo]

Hi! I need help - trying to restore factory sounds to my freshly purchased Korg Trinity (with a dead battery), no access to floppy at the moment.
v. 2.4.0, HDR, PBS.
Using USB midi cable on my Mac, I have tried:
- Trinitro - receives data from the synth, but when I try to "Send to" - returns "time out / no response from the Trinity"

- midi-ox: trying to send the TrinityFactory.syx file from this topic I guess (is it not suitable for 2.4.0?) - synth returns "Midi data receiving error" after I restart...

Thank you!

[muzines]

If you're using a cheap MIDI to USB cable, those things are notoriously awful, particularly for transmitting large amounts of sysex data - I recommend you try a proper MIDI interface, which should be reliable.

[sourvillo]

Thanks for the reply, you are right I've opted for a cheaper interface. Do not have access to proper midi now, but I also want to make sure I've got the right .syx file for v2.4.0 without Solo board.
Regarding the data length - I can not send even one single Program to Trinity via Trinitro, though perfectly receive em back to the computer...

[muzines]

As a way to investigate, you can connect the computer's MIDI out back to it's in, and send a sysex file, and check the exact same data is received to verify whether anything is being sent, and whether it's intact.

Also make sure the sysex receive is enabled on the synth, if it has that option.

[sourvillo]

So I am now pretty sure that transmission is working well, I dump all bank (of empty presets) from and to my Trinity. It does also receive the Factory data.syx that I could find online, but unfortunately shows errors - I guess it is a mismatch of bank numbers (I have A B C D) and version in general.
Does anyone have a possibility to generate sysex data for Factory sound banks, A and B?
Thank you.

[Eddy Deegan]

Does anyone have a possibility to generate sysex data for Factory sound banks, A and B?
Thank you.

Sadly you cannot selectively dump banks of Combis or Programs. The only MIDI transmission options for sounds are for a single Combination, a single Program or an 'All' dump of absolutely everything in the synth so if you have PBS or SOLO installed then that dump would include them also.

My Trinity is running OS v2.4.0. which I think yours is, so I would kinda expect the MIDI dump to work even though the bank numbers are different; the only difference is that my dump contains the S bank as well as A and B.

I know you don't have access to the floppy at present but in case it's useful later, here is a ZIP archive of the PRELOAD1.PCG and PRELOAD1.SNG files that contain the factory default sounds and demo songs:

TRINITY_PRELOAD.zip

(328.34 KiB) Downloaded 413 times

You should be able to load PRELOAD1.PCG into Trinitro.

Oh, one other thing - have you made sure that you don't have the memory protection settings for Programs and Combinations enabled (on Global Page 2)?

I think it would also be worth trying a 'proper' MIDI interface as opposed to a USB/MIDI cable as bulk SysEx can be a challenge for the latter.

[sourvillo]

Thank you very much for sending the files! Unfortunately I have limited luck with Trinitro / PCG so far - I could only manage to Dump stuff from Trinity into it, but not the other way round (I am running it via Wine on Mac OS, maybe that is the reason?).
Maybe you have a chance to generate a SYX file for me as well? I tend to think the ones I have are corrupt somehow, or do not match my synth... At the moment I have managed to get 2 programs into Trinity using BomeSend SX - I have recorded a sysex from Trinity where it dumps one program, and try to replace the sound settings (by guess) with pieces of code from the TrinityFactory.syx file I have But I was only lucky two times out of 20 maybe so far

Thanks!

[sourvillo]

Thank you.

TRINITY_PRELOAD.zip

You should be able to load PRELOAD1.PCG into Trinitro.

Oh, one other thing - have you made sure that you don't have the memory protection settings for Programs and Combinations enabled (on Global Page 2)?

I think it would also be worth trying a 'proper' MIDI interface as opposed to a USB/MIDI cable as bulk SysEx can be a challenge for the latter.

Been trying again with Trinitro - discovered that I can move Combis into Trinity from the file that you've kindly sent (have not tried them before, only programs), will experiment further..

Sysex is enables and no protection in Global P2, sure.
I've also felt nostalgic today about that spare old interface with "proper midi" I had to throw away two interfaces ago - but since I was able to transmit back and forth a full dump of my Trinity via the USB/MIDI I have I am not sure that would change a lot...

[sourvillo]

So I've used Parallels / Windows instead of WINE (I was not aware there is a 15 day trial) and Trinitro 3.8 works as it should in that environment, I now have all the sounds in my Trinity.
Thanks for help!
Will browse for SOLO now maybe

[Eddy Deegan]

So I've used Parallels / Windows instead of WINE (I was not aware there is a 15 day trial) and Trinitro 3.8 works as it should in that environment, I now have all the sounds in my Trinity.
Thanks for help!
Will browse for SOLO now maybe

Hurrah, excellent!

[Thorndvst]

Can you run me through your entire process? I need to to this, but for me it is not taking. I have a Korg Trinity with the v1.3.3 firmware.

[nickle15]

Can you run me through your entire process? I need to to this, but for me it is not taking. I have a Korg Trinity with the v1.3.3 firmware.

Hello - I got your PM on this topic and I'll get a response to you, hopefully today. Thanks!

[nickle15]

This is my process, which works for me. I am on a Mac using SysEx Librarian and using a USB audio interface. Your setup may vary but the principles should remain the same.

Ok, here are the steps I use:

Connect MIDI cable - MIDI In on Trinity, MIDI Out on my USB Interface
Trinity Global menu - Page 1, make sure MIDI channel is set to 01; Page 2, make sure "Enable Exclusive" is checked
Open SysEx Librarian and select USB Device from the drop down menu at the top of the window.
Select the sysex file I want to transmit and press play in the top left corner of the window. (Double clicking the file will do the same as pressing play).
That's it - you should see a message on the Trinity screen indicating that data is being received.

If you get any kind of transmission errors you may need to reduce the speed of the transfer. This can be found in the preferences menu of SysEx Librarian.

I hope this helps anyone struggling to get this done. Thanks!