Roland Juno X

[Guest]

just looks like the Boutique" range for the Pro Keyboard player,pick your fascia Preference

Jupiter X
Juno X

so what will they do next

JD-800X
D50-X
SH101X
JX8PX

The Juno X Contains most of what the Jupiter X has but in a new Juno 106 casing
I've got the JP-X and the recent V3 update has added the Newer Juno chorus models they've added, so i suspect its only a matter of time before they add in the Juno 60 Engine to the X collection or have they adopted the usual Roland approach to ditch high end products without a care of the end user once they've sold a few units???

given the Zencore engine is cross platform I suspect most of the Patches in the Juno X are compatible in the Jupiter X, plus you can now load in the Jupiter 8 engine into the Juno X,so who is going to buy the JPX now??

I don't get Rolands motives??

[IAA]

I was a long time Roland user, SH range, JP 6, XP, Juno’s and then early adopter of Roland cloud, I still use 4 synths from that range which I have lifetime keys as a thank you for taking the pain of the early cloud development.
But I agree I don’t know where they’re pitching longer term plans but clearly not analogue. I guess that’s business although I feel it’s a shame given their pedigree.
Would be wonderful to see some of that capability matching Sequential, Korg and Moog again. But best not to dream.

If they had done a pure analogue Juno with the livery and the modern components I’d go for that, but not this, good as it may prove to be.

[The Elf]

Roland Junos...

[The Elf]

Actually...

Roland Jupiters:


Roland Junos:

[BillB]

Notable also that it is Zen-Core - so ABM, rather than the more accurate and computationally intensive ACB of the early Boutiques and System 1/8. Might sound great anyway!

And Tony, it's got speakers....

[IAA]

Well, believe it or not I preferred the Juno to the JP 6 when I played live at least ….crikey did I just write that……

[Nano Teck]

Who is this for?

I could see using it live, but in a studio?

If I'm recording, I want either the original 6/60/106 hardware or the ACB renditions (which are CPU-intensive but much higher quality).

And if I need a Zencore VST, why the heck would I pay $2000 for a Juno-X casing when I could use my own MIDI controller to play the Roland Cloud?

"But it's got four parts! And you can play pianos with it!"

Do you know what else can play 4 parts and has pianos? My DAW.

[Guest]

Just seems a bit of a random Product in the Catalogue,its priced slightly lower down from the JPx,but then contains pretty much the same content with a facelift thats all, the Jpx is still available so who would buy a Jupiter Now,if you can get access to most of its internal engines from the Juno plus the Jupiter 8 engine as well and save yourself some money in the process.

Surely this is a risky move under the current Financial Climate,its a premium priced synth,So dare say it won't sell in huge numbers

Roland is sort of shitting in their own backyard, if it was a product to compete against another manufacturers synth then I could kind of understand it

Odd

[t-sun]

I'm not sure where Roland is making most of their money these days, but it doesn't seem like it'd be on their keyboards. To some degree or another the top of the line keyboards are supposed to get people in the door for the cheaper stuff with a good profit margin, OR the cheaper stuff gives people a taste and then convinces them to save up and drop the cash on the premium product with a bigger profit margin.

I don't see any of their products doing much of anything for any of the other products, and being quick to abandon products and product lines over the last ten to fifteen years isn't helping. Wonder if they're just big enough and their manufacturing is integrated enough that it doesn't matter what gets sold and the profit margin is good from top to bottom?

All I know is that they've got a reputation of combining the unpleasant aspects of VSTs with the most frustrating things about hardware, starting product lines and promising a lot about future-proofing and potential expansion options and then dumping them within a few short years at most.

[Guest]

I’m not sure why anyone would buy this, am I missing something?

Edit: is this an X in a directed t form or just a Juno emulation?

[Guest]

I’m not sure why anyone would buy this, am I missing something?

Edit: is this an X in a different form or just a Juno emulation?

[Arpangel]

Has it got a good Rhodes sound?

[BillB]

Has it got a good Rhodes sound?

Probably the best Rhodes sound ever heard coming out of a Juno synthesiser....

[Arpangel]

Has it got a good Rhodes sound?

Probably the best Rhodes sound ever heard coming out of a Juno synthesiser....

Well, that’s that then.

[Guido3]

Looks like I dodged a bullet. I nearly bought a Jupiter X recently. This looks like it does the same things!!

I haven’t checked that specs but maybe the Juno line will have an external power supply vs the Jupiter which has a built in one!!

Roland have lost the plot IMHO. What’s next, a JX10X which does exactly the same but with a 76 note key bed and a slightly different look?

[Arpangel]

Looks like I dodged a bullet. I nearly bought a Jupiter X recently. This looks like it does the same things!!

I haven’t checked that specs but maybe the Juno line will have an external power supply vs the Jupiter which has a built in one!!

Roland have lost the plot IMHO. What’s next, a JX10X which does exactly the same but with a 76 note key bed and a slightly different look?

These are the actions of a company that clearly can’t think of anything new, but that’s easy to say, in a time when probably, regarding synthesis, there isn’t anything truly hew on the block, just rehashed old ideas, but maybe we will be pleasantly surprised, but don’t hold out much hope.
Besides, we have so much power now, more than ever, maybe the search for new things isn’t that important.

[Guest]

its certainly an odd move from Roland,in an already saturated Synth market and uncertain financial time

There's Too much overlap with there current flagship X,and I suspect by the time you've paid for the Jupiter 8 engine upgrade to make it the X spec from the Cloud software its not that far off the Jupiter price anyway.

I wish they would Just bite the damn bullet and release a Decent Legacy Analog,for all the R+D they've spent with the X and Juno they could have just made a damn Jupiter 8 clone.

[YashN]

The last real poly analogue voices from Roland was the JD-XA. The other recent analogue voices they did were collaborations with Studio Electronics and Malekko.

They don't seem to want to re-issue their classics poly analogues.

Udo Super-6 and Behringer DeepMind as well as future Behringers may fit the bill instead. The future ones might take time considering the supply chain issues.

It does seem they are betting heavily on pure Digital. It's not necessarily a bad bet, but you'd need to be clever to make DSP sound convincingly like the classics, including powering it all cleanly.

Nowadays, it can be done.

[Eddy Deegan]

I played a Juno X at a friend's house recently.

It was a (surprisingly?) pleasant experience. It's a capable and approachable synth. The big take-away for me was that it doesn't have enough polyphony when using it as a polysynth or in a multi-timbral split configuration. I ran into note-stealing far more often than I would have liked and it was quite noticeable.

The fact that it's a digital synth was of no concern at all; polyphony issues aside, it sounds very good to my ears.

There is something about Roland as a company I've not got along with for years. It's just a personal preference for a certain 'sound and feel' that they tend not to satisfy, nothing more. I don't own any of their synths unless you count the VT-3 voice transformer to but to give credit where it's due I've experienced three Roland synths in the last year or two I really like sound-wise, of which two (the latest Fantom 8 and the Jupiter X) I would consider buying if I was looking for something in their category.

For me though, the Juno X wouldn't be a viable option because of the polyphony issue even though I like the sound.

[Folderol]

Just as a matter of interest, what degree of polyphony do people expect these days?

[Arpangel]

Just as a matter of interest, what degree of polyphony do people expect these days?

I only have ten fingers, at least I did, the last time I looked.

[Folderol]

Just as a matter of interest, what degree of polyphony do people expect these days?

I only have ten fingers, at least I did, the last time I looked.

But notes can hang on long after your fingers have left them and gone on to explore others.
The reason I ask is that Yoshimi has a total of 60 note polyphony. This could be all on one part or spread across all of them. I've been wondering if we should increase that. I've no idea what the practical limit is. I only have to change one constant for everything to slot in place - The overall value is not user definable. Hmmm. Should it be?

[Arpangel]

Just as a matter of interest, what degree of polyphony do people expect these days?

I only have ten fingers, at least I did, the last time I looked.

But notes can hang on long after your fingers have left them and gone on to explore others.
The reason I ask is that Yoshimi has a total of 60 note polyphony. This could be all on one part or spread across all of them. I've been wondering if we should increase that. I've no idea what the practical limit is. I only have to change one constant for everything to slot in place - The overall value is not user definable. Hmmm. Should it be?

Yes, that’s the problem, especially if you have a liking for long release times, like me.

[shiihs]

Just as a matter of interest, what degree of polyphony do people expect these days?

256 seems to be common in high-end digital pianos

[Folderol]

Thanks. That's rather more than I expected!