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Kontakt CPU at MAX

Post by Tristan2b »

Hi all ! Thank you Jedi Master for reading and investigating the MAO mysteries that currently concern me...

My kontakt's CPU jumps to 100% for no apparent reason (screenshot)
As you can see, I only use 4 instruments.

I purged the samples and minimized all kontakt display and usability features.

I have tried all possible settings:
. Change of drivers… Asio or Wasapi… Shared or exclusive…
. Buffers at all sizes… (including kontakt's internal buffer)
. All sample rates… and in 16, 24, 32, 64 bits… (in stress)
. Trying multiple sound cards (in desperation)

Nothing moves. Cubase plays jerky because of kontakt's CPU which is at 100% for just a few notes played. All that I find on the web are very practical tutorials but which strangely have no effect on my case.

Setup:
Kontakt 7 used by Cubase 12 on Core i7 and win10-64bits. Alesis Multimix 8 sound card.
I specify that my libraries are on an internal hard disk different from the internal hard disk where kontakt and cubase are. Of course, it's SSD.

Incidentally, I noticed that kontakt causes huge latency issues when recording audio. Problems I don't have when using audio in cubase without kontakt. Ugly !

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Re: Kontakt CPU at MAX

Post by Wonks »

What security programs are you using? Even just Windows Defender on it’s own can slow things down when you’re loading samples, so make sure that's set to not scan your sample library folders.

Are you using any other VSTs or VSTIs as well as Kontakt?

The Multimix8 is a mixer with a 16-bit USB record/playback (unless you have the ‘later’ USB2 version which had 24-bit recording but was then dropped in favour of the original version again).

So definitely don’t use anything else than 16-bit 44.1kHz or 48kHz as the project recording setting.

Definitely use ASIO if there’s an ASIO driver (I have a Multimix8 but I’ve never used the USB connection). There isn't a proper ASIO driver for the Alesis Multimix8USB, it's just a class-compliant USB device so is never going to have low latency. ASIO4ALL is the best you will get, but it can't work miracles.

The USB2.0 has a driver but it was last updated back in 2014, so may perform very poorly with the latest Win10 software.

I really wouldn't use the Alesis as a DAW interface. It's a decent small mixer with a USB interface bolted-on. Even a cheap Behringer interface will perform with far lower latency. OK to record a gig with it and maybe play back interval music over USB, but for DAW work, it's not up to the task.
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Re: Kontakt CPU at MAX

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Thank you. I'm gonna check my security and I'll tell you.

No, I'm just using Kontakt.

I tried Asio4All. Well the problem is not audio or anything else. I tried Alesis, M-audio m-track... Even my realtek audio driver.

Kontakt still runs with CPU at 100% .
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I have closed everything about security on my computer. The Kontakt CPU problem still exist.
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Post by RichardT »

What about trying Kontakt in standalone mode? And have you played with the multiprocessor options in Cubase?

Those are quite recent libraries and I would expect them to be quite heavy users of CPU.

What I would also try is creating 4 Kontakt instances each with one instrument. Paradoxically that can perform better than 4 instruments in one instance.

And check that you really need the multi mic versions - I use the stereo versions myself most of the time. I’m not sure if that will make a difference, but it might do because of the larger memory footprint of the multmic versions.
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Re: Kontakt CPU at MAX

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Thank you for your reply.

I don't know how to pilot a midi score with Standalone version. I'm not even use a keyboard. Yes, I tried to play with multithreading option in cubase. Nothing changed.

I have already tried with 4 different kontakt's instances in cubase, routed for 4 different instruments. Nothing changed.

I have already tried to switch to Stradivarius Violon simple mode (no multimic mode). Nothing Changed.

The CPU of Kontakt is still jumping to 100 with only few notes played.

My windows task manager tells me that my processor is working à 0.78Ghz instead of the fact that my processor have to work with 2.9Ghz. Any suggestion to unblock it ?
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Hmm, you’ve done some good investigation! I wasn’t thinking of trying to use standalone Kontakt for real - just to see how it performed, but if you don’t have a keyboard I’m not sure how you would test it.

The key thing that test would do would be to tell you whether the problem occurs without Cubase being involved.

You could borrow a keyboard from someone, or find a way to get midi into Kontakt without a keyboard.

In the last resort, you can always download Reaper for free, load up Kontakt in it and see if that has the same problem.

But there may be some simpler software that lets you craft and send a midi signal into the standalone version.

I can’t help much re the processor speed but I’m sure others can. How does other software perform? Are you suffering temperature issues that are forcing the system to throttle the CPU?
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A PC problem - overheating or possibly power supply - would seem to be the main cause of the issue.

Have you got any fan control software where you've limited the fan speed to lower the noise?

Have you cleared out the intakes and cooling fins inside the PC for dust recently?
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Thank you RichardT and Wonks.
I'm gonna check all those points and I'll come back for feedback.
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I had an issue with Kontakt throttling my computer and it was the fact that the instruments I loaded all loaded with full effects implement. I turned them off and sure enough the CPU use dropped down to about 25% - with about 4 instruments loaded, the instrument that sucked up most CPU was Studio Drummer, until I disabled effects, EQ and dynamics.

I don't know what computer you're supposed to use to run Kontakt, but whilst my PC is not eh computer equivalent of a Bugatti, it is no slouch either. It is one of the things that stopped me using Kontakt
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Low CPU speed will either be due to thermal throttling or a power scheme . First make sure your power scheme sets the CPU to run at 100% and then you can download free software which will allow you to measure your CPU temp which will make it clear whether throttling is occurring.
If the latter then normally this is because either the thermal compound has dried out or for heatsinks that use sealed fluid cooling pipes, especially laptops, the fluid has been known to evaporate out of pinhole leaks over time. I had this happen on a laptop and had to replace the whole thermal cooling assembly, luckily got a second hand one on eBay for a tenner so wasn't too tragic.
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Is this a problem that just started or has been happening since installation?

It sounds to me like crap drivers. You could try Reaper with Wasapi enabled instead of asio.
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Sorry if I missed this already but have you confirmed if it's just this project or all uses of Kontakt?
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The CPU us crawling along at a fraction of its normal speed, so it’s a very sick computer. That needs fixing first. I think Kontakt is taxing what’s still working right to its limits.
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Re: Kontakt CPU at MAX

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Problem solved !

This is a good part of the solution to the restricted processor problem that concerns me…
https://linustechtips.com/topic/127...c ... t=14255011

In the ThrottleStop software, the BD PROCHOT box is deactivated and the processor is unlocked from 0.78 to 3.60Ghz. The manipulation is to be repeated each time we reboot the computer until I have found the real solution, but it can already help me out. Once the option was unchecked, my fan started immediately. ThrottleStop with its BD PROCHOT option to uncheck is surely a very useful solution for a person who sees their processor restricted for an unknown reason.

I will create another topic about this abnormal CPU throttling. Maybe I left my computer running a little too long while it was working, and something went into safe mode somewhere. I think my BIOS will have an explanation with me in the coming days.

I would like to thank all the people who took the time to respond to my subject, as what, in these difficult times for solidarity, there are still places where the differences between us are erased. Rhooo it's beautiful what I say. Thank you very much everyone and I will try to help others the same way you do!
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You need to be careful as unlocking the throttling if there is an actual overheating problem, could cause the processor to really overheat and burn out.

Make sure you’ve got a temperature monitoring program running and keep an eye on those CPU temperatures.
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Thanks for your warning.
If I can feel really cold and fresh my computer with my own hand, do you think I really need to keep an eye on Core temp utility ?

The fact is : when my processor is locked at 0.78Ghz, my fan is not working anymore. If I disable BD PROCHOT in Throotlstop, My fan is working suddenly and my processor goes to 3.60Ghz.
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Reading a description of the utility I found here, https://www.ultrabookreview.com/31385-t ... top-guide/, BD PROCHOT really should remain enabled, though disabling the box and re-enabling it will reset the throttling.

“BD PROCHOT – Short for Bi-directional Processor Hot. PROCHOT is an emergency throttling method triggered when a CPU hits its maximum temperature (100 or 105C). You will often see this triggered on MacBook Pros, for example. Bi-directional PROCHOT is a system some laptops use where the CPU will be throttled when another component, such as a GPU, reaches a set temperature even though the CPU has not his its maximum operating temperature. Disabling this box should disable this feature, meaning a hot GPU temperature trigger should not cause CPU throttling. Be aware that this may result in even higher chassis temperatures, and I would not recommend disabling it.”

I don’t know if you’ve got a laptop or desktop, or whether the bi-directional PROCHOT is really applicable to your system or not. But if it is, and the CPU temperature isn’t exceeding its 100°C or 105°C limit, then it sounds like the graphics chip is either getting really hot and exceeding its maximum temperature, or else its temperature sensor is faulty and reporting a false high temperature. Slowing down the CPU will naturally slow down the data fed to the graphics chip, so it does less work and cools down.

2D graphics for a DAW display shouldn’t cause the graphics chip to work hard in the way that 3D graphics will, so it’s more likely to be a faulty sensor unless the graphics chip has been overclocked to improve its performance.

I don’t know if the graphics chip temperature is still applicable with a graphics card (as opposed to a motherboard graphics chip), but I’d have a good look at the reported temperatures and look out for any high ones with the system doing almost nothing.

It might be that there’s a loose heat sink, dried-out thermal paste or a fan not working somewhere; or it could be a faulty sensor.

Overall computer casing temperature isn’t a great indication of an overheating chip. It’s overheating because it’s not able to get its heat away, so the heat is staying localised and building up and up. In a laptop, the casing will probably feel warm near an overheating chip, but the rest may feel cool. On a desktop, it’s unlikely you’ll feel much at all.
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Post by vadim9687 »

I have same issue happening here on MacBook with M1 Max CPU, Cubase 12 and Kontat 7.

its definitely not heating issue nor underpowered cpu nor nor ram.
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I had this thermal throttling problem on an Acer laptop. It was caused by the GPU temperature being exceeded.
I pulled the heatsink assembly off and reapplied thermal compound but this did not resolve the issue. This meant that the vapour transfer within the cooling pipes had failed due to fluid loss from a pinhole leak.
Fortunately I was able to source a second hand replacement off eBay for £15 and this solved the problem
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